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joyful
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 Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: False Assurance |
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Jesus is making it very clear that if His followers are not faithful to Him until the end, they will not enter into His kingdom in Revelation's seven churches, yet most of the churches are giving their people false assurance that they are ok as long as they attend their church.
Faithfulness is not perfect church attendance. |
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| I agree, and many churchgoers often are putting down the importance of personal Bible study and reading too. I don't know why they do that, but I have seen it happen a lot. if you read the bible, you learn a different idea than what many churches and pastors preach, at least I did. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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I started make progress in studying the Bible and understanding of Jesus basic principles very quick after I stopped following churches' Bible study guides.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I didnt learn a lot (more) from reading the bible or bible study.
I like one bible translation a lot (in particular for the 4 gospels)
i mean this one
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mt%205-7&version=65
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Spice,
I was a non-believer for a long time, I have been a christian for only nine years. I could not get any meaning of my life but Jesus taught me everything I need to know and the meaning of our lives. I found happiness, joy and peace. I now have confidence that I can handle anything that this world has to offer, good or bad.
May I ask you if you are satisfied with your life?
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spiceant
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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Sure you may ask me if i am statisfied with my life 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| spiceant wrote: |
| Sure you may ask me if i am statisfied with my life |
You'll have to forgive Joyful if anything she says doesn't get the point across. =P IE she is asking if you ARE satisfied with your life.
The Bible is FULL of information useful for application in life. Without bible study, you will spiritually starve to death without realizing it. I've known many who have, and they usually say "Well, I found out that I didn't want to read the Bible anymore, didn't want to pray, didn't feel like God existed, etc...", not making the connection that when you stop studying this Way, you will die.
And just a sidenote: the "Message" Bible is fun to read, but it is a paraphrase of the Bible. It is not a translation. It was designed to give out as witness material to "street people" for ease of reading. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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i know that butxifnot . Im am iritating (or stimulating, depends on your preference) Joyfull.
You shouldnt just stand naked before God, but before everyone. Dont wrap any towels around or let any grass grow over the truth of God.
I am statisfied with my life and do more every day
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Spice,
Can you confidently say you can handle anything that this world brings you? |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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I do not know, i have my difficulties and hard situations, but whatever can happen to me disturbs my peace less and less every day. I may be growing accustomed to things, as well. For example i usually go shirtless (in public) these days and at first it was hard but it got easy and now other peoples cultural superstitions dont bother me as much anymore and atleast on the internet it is now much easyer for me to be honest and frank. There is one thing from the Buddha that i remember about his way of non-attachment. To forego everything. Every time i notice i have not forgone something or forgiven someone, i forego that thing or forgive that person. In that sense, the carnal part of me is dying every day.
Nevertheless it can happen that in my mentality the stars will fall to earth, the heavens will roll themselves up and the earth will shiver. When that happens, i will deal with it. I hope that when that happens, i will remember that it is an excorcism to clean me up and that it is only the pain of birth pangs, compared to the kingdom baby that it will bring forth.
I am shaking all chains to earth, so that i may go to heaven.
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joyful
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| spiceant wrote: |
| I do not know, i have my difficulties and hard situations, but whatever can happen to me disturbs my peace less and less every day. I may be growing accustomed to things, as well. For example i usually go shirtless (in public) these days and at first it was hard but it got easy and now other peoples cultural superstitions dont bother me as much anymore and atleast on the internet it is now much easyer for me to be honest and frank. There is one thing from the Buddha that i remember about his way of non-attachment. To forego everything. Every time i notice i have not forgone something or forgiven someone, i forego that thing or forgive that person. In that sense, the carnal part of me is dying every day. |
That's good. Ok, I give you different situation, how about if you lose all your possesions or worse yet get physically incapacitated for life and have to rely on others to take care of you? Do you think you can hadle that without being depressed rest of your life?
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Nevertheless it can happen that in my mentality the stars will fall to earth, the heavens will roll themselves up and the earth will shiver. When that happens, i will deal with it. I hope that when that happens, i will remember that it is an excorcism to clean me up and that it is only the pain of birth pangs, compared to the kingdom baby that it will bring forth.
I am shaking all chains to earth, so that i may go to heaven. |
Exorcism is not Christian teaching and I will not consider it. I have confident that all religions beside christianity have flows that you cannot beat Christianity. |
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BTW, spice,
You seem to speak perfect English and your profile says you are Dutch. Is English your main language? Do you speak other language too?
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spiceant
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, i speak christian, jewish, l33t sp34k and geek among other languages. Dutch and english are the only official languages i speak and type reliably.
By excorcism i simply mean cleaning, cleansing, detoxing. Getting the lies, darkness, demons, bad vibes, toxins, etc... out of your being. Jesus cast out demons, i meant something along those lines and not neceserily the christian type of excorcisms. Excorcisms have a reputation and a dramatical meaning to it, so i used it as an allegory. Dont take everything i say literally, Jesus wouldn't have been crucified if his followers would have eaten Jesus alive when Jesus told them to do so. (partake of his flesh & blood.)
I am not sure what would happen if i'd become a garden variety vegetable. If nothing else i would go on a sort of meditation retreat untill i could raise my vibration all the way into the heavenly realm, i might do something along the lines or praying continually or saying rosemaries. But i do not know. It will be whatever the holy spirit inclines me to do. I dont know how i would deal with being dependant on others. I am not sure if i will succeed in doing so, but i will always strive to do everything i can and then be content with that.
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| Exorcism is not Christian teaching and I will not consider it. I have confident that all religions beside christianity have flows that you cannot beat Christianity. |
I'm not sure what you mean here, i will assume you mean that Christianity is the best of all religions? All religions have a general line running through them. Every religion was written for a specific group of people to help them deal with their current problems and their specific state of consciousness and knowledge. The problem starts when this teaching is clinged on to and this is very very well examplified by Islam. Muhamed did get revelation from real Angels, but he distorted it (without knowing). Islam is such a good example, because it was given to a people in a VERY LOW state of consciousness. Now people are trying to perpetuate this teaching that was given to such people in a low state of consciousness, they perpetuate this mentality in this modern age where most people do not need that teaching any more. They were habitually comitting genocide at the time of Muhammed. The islam religion was adapted to this. Muslims should also have raised above it, some have but nevertheless many make the mistake of turning it into the graven image of human language. Nothing can be perfect and complete as long as it is comprehended in human language. The soul in its core speaks in a very different language that cannot be described in human language. When the soul recognizes this uneffable language in human language, many people realize they are listening to a prophet from God. Only when you get the deep understanding does it have real meaning to you. When this happens many people call it an epiphany, realisation or personal revelation and this is always life changing for the individual. There is no intellectual knowledge that can measure up to it.
Every real religion is like Gods mothers milk to his children. You should not be drinking this forever, but move on to the things of real substance when you grow up in it. It is not good to be in a hospital while you are in good health or to walk on crutches when you have 2 good legs.
But all religions are corrupted by the blind leaders that do not want to help themselves, wolves in sheepclothing. Is bad to judge Jesus by trinitarians, or Buddha by buddists, Krishna by Hindus or Atheists by Marx.
It happens to all religions. This is why Jesus' admonished us to get the LIVING word meaning CONTINUAL revelation, STRAIGHT from God (or in this case, from Jesus himself'. Everything on earth can be corrupted. Only that which comes straight from God is Holy. This is where it is PARAMOUNT that you understand what it means that
1. The Kingdom of God is Within.
2. Christ Jesus is always with you
3. The spirit of truth is always with you (or in you)
When are you intending to pull my paradise cafe posts into this forum?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Spice,
You are speaking like greek philosopher. I am not getting into that.
Now I know why PC are so hostile towards you. I will not treat you like PC people but I would rather try to convert you into Christianity.
My faith is unshakable. No one can beat my faith in the whole wide world, spice. 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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i have been with JWs for 1 year and i did not like their brand of Christianity (and i liked their christianity the best, at the moment). I have a clue about what christianity you teach, but i do not worship the bible as a graven image like you do or deny what Jesus said when he said he will always be with us along with the holy spirit of truth.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="spiceant"]i have been with JWs for 1 year and i did not like their brand of Christianity (and i liked their christianity the best, at the moment).[quote]
I have tried to join them because I agree with most of their reasoninig of the Bible and practice of pacifism. But I have decided not to because their elders and annointed ones have too much control over whole orgnization. They don't appreciate the gift God gives to each individual. They are wasting eveyone's gifts.
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| I have a clue about what christianity you teach, but i do not worship the bible as a graven image like you do |
I don't worship the Bible; I trust Bible is God breathed as the Bible says.
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| or deny what Jesus said when he said he will always be with us along with the holy spirit of truth. |
Christianity is all about believing and practicing the whole thing that Jesus teaches. Most christians pick and choose what they follow and they are not showing powerful witnesses because of it. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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i'll do trust the bible to have Gods words to us, but not infallible or complete, hence it is un-whole(y) with graven image i mean to put God into the mental box of the bible, which the israelites were prohibited from by being forbidden of making a graven image of God. I believe it to be too much influenced by political values by constantine and what started even with the disciples of Jesus himself, who were continually being corrected by Jesus (in particular, when Jesus called Peter Satan).
Ill make a new topic tomorrow on a particular subject tomorrow if you do not import one of my PC postings (and you do not object, in the meantime)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ok spice, bring it in. I can refute without hostility. |
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