Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: People of all denominations
We must ever be mindful that YHWH has his "lost sheep" in each and every denomination out there. Many of these ones go to these various earthly organizations because they are misled... not because they're wicked.
We truly are a product of the things around us. When we are born, we are raised to be like the people surrounding us. We accept their culture, and do the things they do. Likewise, many also join the religion of their parents or of those around them. This does not mean they're wicked at all. As a matter of fact, many good hearted and God fearing people exist in each and every one of these denominations. Yet, they end up in bondage by these denominations... because they have not yet found the freedom of Christ. They are taught that if they want to worship God, then they must do this, this, and this. Therefore, they do the things that are prescribed to them by their leaders.
Also, some have gone on a quest to find the "true religion". They realize that there is a problem with the churches or organizations that they go to, and therefore set out to find "the truth". Yet, their minds are set on finding God's "earthly organization", and since many of these various earthly organizations can prove what is wrong with the church they were prior attending... they get to believing that since these ones can point out the faults of their previous churches, that they must be God's earthly organization or church. Therefore, they go from one trap, right into another trap. At first, they believe that they may have found religious freedom... but eventually they too discover that the place they have just seeked refuge also has many problems... and they become discouraged.
Many of these ones go from organization to organization... searching for the truth... but it always seems to allude them somehow. They never find true freedom.
Why is this? It is because Satan is truly in control of this system of things. For he is in control of ALL of these earthly organizations and churches. He has mankind's mind set to believe that at least one of these organizations must have the truth. Therefore, he conditions our minds to ask the wrong questions concerning salvation. He gets us to ask: "Where are we to go?". Yet, this is the wrong question to be asking. We shouldn't ask "where do we go?", but instead we should be asking "to WHOM do we go?"
Satan has deceived and clouded our minds to ask "Who has God?". Therefore, we go on a search looking for a religion. Yet, the bible gives us the clear answer to who really has God:
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I am the way, the truth, and the life. Nobody comes to the Father accept through me" - John 14:6
These are the words of Jesus Christ... God's Son. He tells us that "HE HIMSELF" is the way to God. He does not tell us that an organization is the way to God. He does not tell us that any Human beings, or a group of human beings are the way to God. Rather, he tells us that "HE HIMSELF" is the way to God. Anything that tries to replace Jesus Christ is a phony. It is a "counterfeit" to the reality. Satan tries to mislead us any way he can. He doesn't have just one counterfeit to mislead us... he has many. He never wants us to find out the real truth that if we want to have a relationship with God, that we do NOT have to go anywhere. Instead, God is not far off from each and every one of us. All we have to do to approach God is to approach him through his Son, Jesus Christ himself. Therefore... we have to approach his Son. No earthly organization has ANYTHING to do with this....... and we do NOT have to go anywhere to do it. For we must worship God in "spirit and in truth". Therefore, we can approach God from anywhere.
Yet, how do you approach Jesus?
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No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day" - John 6:44
Ahh... we can't simply go to Jesus, can we? No. Rather, it is the Father, YHWH himself that can draw us to Jesus. So what should we do then? Jesus gives us that answer.
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“YOU must pray, then, this way:
“‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. 11 Give us today our bread for this day; 12 and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And do not bring us into temptation, but deliver us from the wicked one.’ - Matt 6:9-13
Ahh... we must pray to YHWH to give us our daily bread. This daily bread is Jesus Christ himself... for he is the true bread from heaven. Yet, we should also pray to YHWH to forgive us of our sins, as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us. Therefore, we should be in a repentant state while asking for this. Also, we should pray that YHWH will not bring us into temptation, and deliver us from the wicked one. If we really want to have Jesus Christ as our Lord and master, then we must pray that YHWH deliver us from Satan, and hand us over to his Son. We must readily acknowledge that we will accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Master... as our ONLY leader, and as our savior. To ask YHWH for these things is very acceptable in his eyes... because we truly are asking them in Jesus' name.
Think about it... If we ask YHWH for the true religion... how can he honor this request? He can't. Because there IS no true religion. Religion in general is a snare and trap by the Devil. YHWH doesn't want us to have a religion... rather he wants us to have his Son. He wants us to be in union with his Son. Therefore, let's not ask YHWH for a religion... but ask him for his Son instead. Let's ask YHWH to draw us close to his Son. Tell YHWH that you want to accept his Son as your only Lord and Master. Tell him that you want to accept his Son as your ONLY savior. Ask YHWH for his Holy spirit... ask for his Son. By asking these things in Jesus' name, you will not be disappointed.
Let's not forget what Jesus told us:
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Most truly I say to YOU, If YOU ask the Father for anything he will give it to YOU in my name - John 16:23.
We are taught that we should end a prayer by saying: "we ask these things in Jesus' name.... Amen". But is this what this scripture means? No. Suppose we ask YHWH for a brand new luxury car, then we say "we ask this in Jesus' name". Will he do it? No. Why? Because this "asking in Jesus' name" means asking YHWH "IN SPIRIT CONCERNING JESUS CHRIST". If we're asking for a brand new luxury car... then we're not really asking in Jesus' name at all are we? No. Instead, we're asking in our own name... for our own purpose. Yet, when we approach and ask YHWH for something concerning Christ... namely for something concerning HIS purpose... then we are truly asking in his name, are we not? If we're asking YHWH in spirit and truth to send us his Son.... then is that not truly asking YHWH "in spirit" for something in Jesus Christ's name? It surely is.
Therefore, let us all ask YHWH to send us the true bread from heaven.... asking him in "spirit and in truth". For if we do this, then YHWH cannot deny himself.... and he WILL grant our request.
May all those with ears to listen hear!
May you all have peace, joy and spirit from YHWH and his Son Jesus Christ.
My point behind everything that I have written here is that we must flee from these various organizations which put a person under bondage. Finding "freedom in connection with Christ" means exactly what it says... it means setting HIM as your Lord and savior. It means having no "middle man" between you and your relationship with him. Therefore we become free people... because we're then not under the bondage of any religious organization.
All these various organizations tell us that we need to go through them in order to have a relationship with Christ or with his father. This is the greatest lie of all... for it means that we're using them as "middlemen" between our relationship with God. It is much the same as a person believes that if he prays through a wooden idol, that it will somehow let them to have access to God. For instance, Catholics pray in front of a statue of Mary at times. If you ask them if that is idolatry, they'll say it is not. They will argue that they're not praying to the statue of Mary... but praying "through" the statue to God. Well, whenever we give any Godly devotion "through" an object, this is Idolatry.
You'll notice that in the scriptures that the "CHURCH" spoken about in the Christian Greek scriptures is not referring to a building or an organization. Rather, it refers to the "people" who belong to the heavenly organization.
So what am I saying? I'm saying "Flee from Idolatry! Worship God with spirit and with truth!". I'm saying "Flee from the idolatrous earthly organizations... and approach YHWH with spirit and truth through the "gateway" of his heavenly organization. That "gateway" is Jesus Christ himself.
Am I saying: "Follow me"??? No, no, HECK NO!! I'm saying "Follow Jesus Christ!", for he is our ONLY leader. If anyone follows me, they will surely die! Yet, if anyone follows ANY MAN, they will surely die. I am simply here to say to anyone who will listen: "Become reconciled to God through Jesus Christ!" We must only follow Jesus Christ. For he is the only one that can "lead us" to life... for YHWH his Father has approved of him, and he is the ONLY approved way for us to get life.
On a side note to Hitomi, I am not here to preach and to lecture to you about these things... for I am aware that you yourself have already come to these same very conclusions. I am writing these things to give an argument and a witness to anyone who comes here to read. I am trying to bear witness about the good news of God's heavenly kingdom, and bear witness about the only "way" into that Kingdom, namely Jesus Christ. It is my intention to sow seeds of Christ... seeds of Truth. For Jesus Christ himself is the "truth".(John 14:6) No organization has the truth... for these organizations do NOT have Christ. I want people to have the "Truth"... I want them to have Christ. This is the witness that I have come here to give... to anyone who will listen. I also want to thank you Hitomi for allowing me in your forums to preach this message.
You asked me how I am serving God? I am serving him through my only Lord and Master, Jesus Christ. I am obeying his word to "go forth and make disciples of people of ALL nations". I go where the spirit tells me to go... to preach the good news about YHWH's kingdom. I am here to be your fellow servant in Christ... to serve you and all those who look towards Christ as their only salvation. I'm not here to Lord it over you, or tell you to follow me. I am here to help wash the feet of all those wanting to walk after Jesus Christ. To build the faith of those who are struggling... to turn the hearts of these ones back towards their heavenly Father... to say: "Follow the straight and narrow path to God, namely Jesus Christ". In this way, I serve my God... and I pray I get his approval for doing such. I am far from perfect, and have many faults. Yet, Christ Jesus has been very merciful and patient with me, and has given me many things. These things I wish to share with others... so that they themselves may become his and receive things from him.
Who knows? Perhaps I may be able to sow a seed, and God will make it grow?
Yet, I am here to serve and slave over anyone who wants to serve their Lord and Master, Jesus Christ.
You are more than welcome to use this forum. I have been telling everyone to stay out of the churches, as much as I can too. I tell them that the church only make them hypocrite. Read the Bible and strive to obey Jesus everything that He teaches.
E-watchman is persuading people to go to JW. He does not ban you for what you are preaching?
"Hence it is that we sometimes see an honest, truth-hungry child of God gradually progressing from one denomination to another, as a child passes from class to class in a school. If he be in the Church of Rome, when his eyes are opened, he gets out of it, probably falling into some branch of the Methodist or Presbyterian systems. If here his desire for truth be not entirely quenched and his spiritual senses stupefied with the spirit of the world, you may a few years after find him in some of the branches of the Baptist system; and, if he still continues to grow in grace and knowledge and love of truth, and into an appreciation of the liberty wherewith Christ makes free, you may by and by find him outside of all human organizations, joined merely to the Lord and to his saints, bound only by the tender but strong ties of love and truth, like the early Church. 1 Cor. 6:15,17; Eph. 4:15,16 The feeling of uneasiness and insecurity, if not bound by the chains of some sect, is general. It is begotten of the false idea, first promulgated by Papacy, that membership in an earthly organization is essential, pleasing to the Lord and necessary to everlasting life."Volume 3 p186 _________________ reslight.net/forum - bibletoday.com- Divineplan.org - mostholyfaith.com -
"Hence it is that we sometimes see an honest, truth-hungry child of God gradually progressing from one denomination to another, as a child passes from class to class in a school. If he be in the Church of Rome, when his eyes are opened, he gets out of it, probably falling into some branch of the Methodist or Presbyterian systems. If here his desire for truth be not entirely quenched and his spiritual senses stupefied with the spirit of the world, you may a few years after find him in some of the branches of the Baptist system; and, if he still continues to grow in grace and knowledge and love of truth, and into an appreciation of the liberty wherewith Christ makes free, you may by and by find him outside of all human organizations, joined merely to the Lord and to his saints, bound only by the tender but strong ties of love and truth, like the early Church. 1 Cor. 6:15,17; Eph. 4:15,16 The feeling of uneasiness and insecurity, if not bound by the chains of some sect, is general. It is begotten of the false idea, first promulgated by Papacy, that membership in an earthly organization is essential, pleasing to the Lord and necessary to everlasting life."Volume 3 p186
Hi all friends,
I gree with God :
He used Br. Russell as a prophet at his time , as written in Bible:
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Hosea 12
13. The LORD used a prophet to bring Israel up from Egypt,
by a prophet he cared for him.
Now , the problem with that nation/Israel of God and its prophets , was that they have begun to worship to gods new appeared :
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Deuteronomy 32
12 The LORD alone led him;
no foreign god was with him.
13 He made him ride on the heights of the land
and fed him with the fruit of the fields.
He nourished him with honey from the rock,
and with oil from the flinty crag,
14 with curds and milk from herd and flock
and with fattened lambs and goats,
with choice rams of Bashan
and the finest kernels of wheat.
You drank the foaming blood of the grape.
15 Jeshurun grew fat and kicked;
filled with food, he became heavy and sleek.
He abandoned the God who made him
and rejected the Rock his Savior.
16 They made him jealous with their foreign gods
and angered him with their detestable idols.
17 They sacrificed to demons, which are not God—
gods they had not known,
gods that recently appeared,
gods your fathers did not fear.
18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you;
you forgot the God who gave you birth.
Who are these new gods ?
they are:
-- certain teachings/Bible interpretations which came not from Holy spirit, and were not well based on all Scripture ( see John 16:13 )
but were the result of human wisdom
now , when Russell or other God's servants said :" he who does not agree with this explanation (the wrong one ) is not "in truth" ", that means that that (wrong) interpretation was set as idol !
another idol
-- "the faithfull and discreet servant "
when people says :"so said the FDS" , and not "so said Jesus" or "so said YHWH", the FDS is an idol , it doesn't matter if the FDS is a person or a "class".
other idols:
-- the Society
-- the "God's visible organisation"
-- the "WT magazines"
-- old brothers, with influence , or "elders"
regarding elders , see
Jeremiah 11
Quote:
13. You have as many gods as you have towns, O Judah; and the altars you have set up to burn incense to that shameful god Baal are as many as the streets of Jerusalem.
they have sinned against their Maker , and He promised to them as it follows:
Jeremiah 6
Quote:
19. Hear, O earth:
I am bringing disaster on this people,
the fruit of their schemes,
because they have not listened to my words
and have rejected my law.
the result of "our fathers" wrong ways before Jehovah ,
is exactly what the BS and specially the JW's are living today : worshipping "the beast" ( the organisational sistem which overcomed them )
and because of that Jehovah rejected their "system",
but "calls out of Babylon" all who love Him ,
with the purpose to be sanctified "in truth" through Christ blood :
Quote:
Titus 2
14. who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness
and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
Rus, what's your point? what do you want me to correct? What am I doing wrong in your eyes?
You're not doing anything wrong at all sister. He is merely showing you what has happened, and why things are the way they are right now. The condition of Christianity as it is today was long ago foretold by YHWH. He is simply hoping that you're able to see what the bible has said... in order to give comfort to your soul. And also so you'll realize that what you've done so far, as to your matters of faith in Jesus Christ has not gone unnoticed by your heavenly Father.
Rus, what's your point? what do you want me to correct? What am I doing wrong in your eyes?
You're not doing anything wrong at all sister. He is merely showing you what has happened, and why things are the way they are right now. The condition of Christianity as it is today was long ago foretold by YHWH. He is simply hoping that you're able to see what the bible has said... in order to give comfort to your soul. And also so you'll realize that what you've done so far, as to your matters of faith in Jesus Christ has not gone unnoticed by your heavenly Father.
Rus, what's your point? what do you want me to correct? What am I doing wrong in your eyes?
you did nothing wrong in my eyes
but, during the time I told to you from phropecies , and may be I was not enough explicitely , so , you did not understand (and also you have tought that I want to mislead you ) !
you asked me : "what has to do "the Song of Moses" with JW's , or with BS ?"
The Song of Moses is the key given to us , to understand what had to happen within God's people during the latter days , as God says to Daniel through a special messenger (angel )
Daniel 10
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14. Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days; for the vision is yet for many days:
The Song of Moses is in fact the "spinal column" to which all other prophecies concerning the "latter days events within God's people" are to be attached ,
and the entire this prophetical structure is telling to us what time are we living ,
and what are YHWH's actions with his people , actions concerning the judgement ,
and concerning God's Kingdom coming on earth !
So , as christians we all are under the commandment
1 Thess.5
Quote:
20. do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21. Test everything. Hold on to the good.
The wise man will obey that comandment , and doing so he will know the time and the judgement
Ecclesiastes 8
Quote:
5. Whoso keepeth the commandment shall know no evil thing;
and a wise man's heart discerneth time and judgment:
The fact is , both the JW's and BS don't want to see that , or to open their eyes to the light that come from prophecies according to the understanding given through the Spirit of truth .
But knowing your heart , I would wish for you to see it , or to understand it, even earlier than they .
Now , Joyfull, YHWH grace and Jesus peace be upon you !
[quote="rus virgilWho are these new gods ?
they are:
-- certain teachings/Bible interpretations which came not from Holy spirit, and were not well based on all Scripture ( see John 16:13 )
but were the result of human wisdom
now , when Russell or other God's servants said :" he who does not agree with this explanation (the wrong one ) is not "in truth" ", that means that that (wrong) interpretation was set as idol ![/quote]
Hi Rus - Br Russell never said such a thing. And if as you say that he was used as a prophet, then his words best not be ignored? But he never claimed to be a prophet either. _________________ reslight.net/forum - bibletoday.com- Divineplan.org - mostholyfaith.com -
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: People of all denominations
littleone wrote:
We must ever be mindful that YHWH has his "lost sheep" in each and every denomination out there. Many of these ones go to these various earthly organizations because they are misled... not because they're wicked.........Also, some have gone on a quest to find the "true religion". They realize that there is a problem with the churches or organizations that they go to, and therefore set out to find "the truth". Yet, their minds are set on finding God's "earthly organization", and since many of these various earthly organizations can prove what is wrong with the church they were prior attending... they get to believing that since these ones can point out the faults of their previous churches, that they must be God's earthly organization or church. Therefore, they go from one trap, right into another trap. At first, they believe that they may have found religious freedom... but eventually they too discover that the place they have just seeked refuge also has many problems... and they become discouraged.
Many of these ones go from organization to organization... searching for the truth... but it always seems to allude them somehow. They never find true freedom.
Why is this? It is because Satan is truly in control of this system of things. For he is in control of ALL of these earthly organizations and churches. He has mankind's mind set to believe that at least one of these organizations must have the truth. Therefore, he conditions our minds to ask the wrong questions concerning salvation. He gets us to ask: "Where are we to go?". Yet, this is the wrong question to be asking. We shouldn't ask "where do we go?", but instead we should be asking "to WHOM do we go?"
I find this explanation to be exactly correct. It reminds me of Jesus words
John 5:39-40 "You diligently study[a] the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life."
Personally the words "true religion" are an oxymoron. All religion by definition is false because it contains error. _________________ reslight.net/forum - bibletoday.com- Divineplan.org - mostholyfaith.com -
[quote="rus virgilWho are these new gods ?
they are:
-- certain teachings/Bible interpretations which came not from Holy spirit, and were not well based on all Scripture ( see John 16:13 )
but were the result of human wisdom
now , when Russell or other God's servants said :" he who does not agree with this explanation (the wrong one ) is not "in truth" ", that means that that (wrong) interpretation was set as idol !
Hi Rus - Br Russell never said such a thing. And if as you say that he was used as a prophet, then his words best not be ignored? But he never claimed to be a prophet either.[/quote]
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Hi , all ,
I must give the answer for the benefit of the seekers for truth .
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But he never claimed to be a prophet either.
I agree. I never heard that one who is a member of Christ's body saying "I am a prophet",
yet , the writer of the Bible wrote:
1 Cor. 12
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27. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28. And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
So we can see , it is God the One who uses some to do some work , and I spoke accordingly to His point of view.
Indeed , people often think that a prophet is a person who set some "datas" ,
but Moses what "datas" had he foretold ? -- no one !
yet he is called "prophet" for being used as visible tool in God's hand to lead his people out of Egypt
the same happened at the beginning of the period called "the latter days" with bro. Russell.
was Moses perfect in obeying Jehovah ? of course , NOT !
because it is written
Isaiah 43
Quote:
27. Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
in everything I agree with YHWH and His inspired word !
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Br Russell never said such a thing
well . I did not read all his writings , but , from my sources , toward the end of his life he said , or agreed that " he who does not believe the Divine Plan of Ages is not "in truth" .
Well , you may correct me .
But things have gone worse after his death , and the line of prophecies shows how the things were with those who remained with , or together with the Society untill today and till the Kingdom will be given to the "people of the saints of the Most High"
I did not read all his writings , but , from my sources , toward the end of his life he said , or agreed that " he who does not believe the Divine Plan of Ages is not "in truth" .
Well , you may correct me .
But things have gone worse after his death , and the line of prophecies shows how the things were with those who remained with , or together with the Society untill today and till the Kingdom will be given to the "people of the saints of the Most High"
This is from the Forward to Volume 5. That things got worse after his death is typical of whenever a great leader dies. There are always many who are more than willing to take his place. The truth is that no one continued in the work of Br Russell although many claimed to. And the first thing they all did was to announce that the door to the heavenly calling was closed, and that they were the last ones to have entered before the door was shut. (See the booklet, "When Pastor Russell Died")
"It is not surprising that, appreciating the subject and studying it so carefully, our views respecting it have become more and more clear. The Bible statements respecting the Ransom have not in any wise changed, nor has our confidence in them changed; but they are more luminous; we understand them better. We hold that the Bible statements on the subject are infallible, and that it is because we are not infallible that our views are capable of expansion as we search the Scriptures and are guided into the understanding of them as promised, by the holy Spirit. We are not demurring against the Divine Plan of gradual unfoldment, but rejoicing in it. We have nothing to apologize for. The Ransom looms before us more grandly with every fresh ray of Divine Light."Author's 1916 Forewordhttp://bibletoday.com/V5/volumefive_toc.htm _________________ reslight.net/forum - bibletoday.com- Divineplan.org - mostholyfaith.com -
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