Greetings sister, and greetings to my brother rus virgil.
Hitomi, it has been quite a while since we've last had the opportunity to talk to eachother. I am very pleased to see that you still feel that YHWH is great, and that his you still believe his Son Jesus Christ is worthy of the authority, glory and honor.... considering how you've been treated by some who have called themselves by their name. Although you may not have found a place within those who call themselves by their names, most certainly your heavenly Father and his Son have tender affection for you and want you to gain the faith and endurance necessary to bring praise to their names. May YHWH's spirit be here with us as we discuss our provisions of salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ.
May you have peace, and I look forward in roving about in the scriptures with you and others here. Perhaps we'll be able to build eachother's faith, and bring praise and honor to YHWH's name.
Greetings sister, and greetings to my brother rus virgil.
Hitomi, it has been quite a while since we've last had the opportunity to talk to eachother. I am very pleased to see that you still feel that YHWH is great, and that his you still believe his Son Jesus Christ is worthy of the authority, glory and honor.... considering how you've been treated by some who have called themselves by their name. Although you may not have found a place within those who call themselves by their names, most certainly your heavenly Father and his Son have tender affection for you and want you to gain the faith and endurance necessary to bring praise to their names. May YHWH's spirit be here with us as we discuss our provisions of salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ.
May you have peace, and I look forward in roving about in the scriptures with you and others here. Perhaps we'll be able to build eachother's faith, and bring praise and honor to YHWH's name.
Greetings sister, and greetings to my brother rus virgil.
Hitomi, it has been quite a while since we've last had the opportunity to talk to eachother. I am very pleased to see that you still feel that YHWH is great, and that his you still believe his Son Jesus Christ is worthy of the authority, glory and honor.... considering how you've been treated by some who have called themselves by their name. Although you may not have found a place within those who call themselves by their names, most certainly your heavenly Father and his Son have tender affection for you and want you to gain the faith and endurance necessary to bring praise to their names. May YHWH's spirit be here with us as we discuss our provisions of salvation through his Son, Jesus Christ.
May you have peace, and I look forward in roving about in the scriptures with you and others here. Perhaps we'll be able to build eachother's faith, and bring praise and honor to YHWH's name.
Littleone,
I found out about Bible Student and tried to join them lately, but I had the same kind of experience like I had with JW. They turned out to be a big disappointment because I was expecting much more from them as Jesus' servants.
I hear you loud and clear. Actually, you may find that you do not fit in any earthly organization. Yet, that is not a bad thing at all... rather it is a good thing. Christians back in Paul's day did not fit in any organization either... well, not from any organization of this world. That is why the author of Hebrews said:
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For YOU have not approached that which can be felt and which has been set aflame with fire, and a dark cloud and thick darkness and a tempest, 19 and the blare of a trumpet and the voice of words; on hearing which voice the people implored that no word should be added to them. 20 For the command was not bearable to them: “And if a beast touches the mountain, it must be stoned.” 21 Also, the display was so fearsome that Moses said: “I am fearful and trembling.” 22 But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenlyJerusalem, and myriads of angels, 23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, 24 and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the blood of sprinkling, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s [blood].
See, the true Christians weren't apart of any earthly organization. They didn't approach anything that was "earthly" and could be felt. Instead, they were part of the heavenly organization. That is why it could be said about them that they were "no part of this world". For they themselves became a "new creation". As being a "new creation", they looked to the heavenly organization as the place where they belonged... not to any earthly physical organization. This way, they could never be disappointed... for those belonging to earthly organizations will always be disappointed. But those belonging to the heavenly organization will NEVER be disappointed.
I'm not here to bear witness to you about ANY earthly organization whatsoever. I'm here to bear witness about that which is heavenly. For your heavenly Father is looking for such ones that will worship him in spirit and in truth.
Did you not ask your heavenly Father to search you out?
As being a "new creation", they looked to the heavenly organization as the place where they belonged... not to any earthly physical organization. This way, they could never be disappointed... for those belonging to earthly organizations will always be disappointed. But those belonging to the heavenly organization will NEVER be disappointed.
You make sense but you know NT encourage to have fellowship with other like-minded servants. But Jesus also says where two or three gather together in His name, there He will be.
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Did you not ask your heavenly Father to search you out?
My family and I have been asking to be faithful, truthful servants and increase our faith daily.
Littleone, you sure are brightening up this forum. You are godsend for me.
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See, the true Christians weren't apart of any earthly organization. They didn't approach anything that was "earthly" and could be felt. Instead, they were part of the heavenly organization. That is why it could be said about them that they were "no part of this world". For they themselves became a "new creation". As being a "new creation", they looked to the heavenly organization as the place where they belonged... not to any earthly physical organization. This way, they could never be disappointed... for those belonging to earthly organizations will always be disappointed. But those belonging to the heavenly organization will NEVER be disappointed.
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Revelation 18
4. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,
Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
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Zechariah13
8. And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them:
I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.
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Daniel 7
27. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Hi Joyfull,
I think you may now understand who is "God's people" , and specially , who is "the people of saints of the Most High" !
They are those from Jw's , BS and other denominations/organisations who "come out" to follow the Lamb , and who aproaches to "God's Heavenly Organisation " whose name is The Kingdom of God , or The Kingdom of Heavens !
It is the ones who return to their God, who worship him with "spirit and truth" who get to be called "his people". They therefore do not approach anything that is physical... but approach YHWH himself through his son Jesus Christ. For YHWH has rejected EVERY earthly organization... and accepts none other than the heavenly one. Those remaining in the earthly organizations will remain in confusion. For that is the name that YHWH gave for these earthly organizations... "confusion".
As being a "new creation", they looked to the heavenly organization as the place where they belonged... not to any earthly physical organization. This way, they could never be disappointed... for those belonging to earthly organizations will always be disappointed. But those belonging to the heavenly organization will NEVER be disappointed.
You make sense but you know NT encourage to have fellowship with other like-minded servants. But Jesus also says where two or three gather together in His name, there He will be.
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Did you not ask your heavenly Father to search you out?
My family and I have been asking to be faithful, truthful servants and increase our faith daily.
Littleone, you sure are brightening up this forum. You are godsend for me.
Hi sister,
Did you ever read in the scriptures how YHWH scattered Israel because of their unfaithfulness to him? They went into exile... so that they became as if they were not a nation. Yet, Jehovah gathered them back, and they rebuilt the temple.
Likewise, those things recorded in the Hebrew scriptures were for us, so that they would set an example of what YHWH would do if we were unfaithful to him.... namely, that he would scatter us and we would go into exile.
Well, spiritual Israel was also unfaithful to YHWH. So true to his word, he scattered them. That is why there is no congregations of spiritual Israel right now... because we were unfaithful to our heavenly Father. Yet, it is now time for us to turn around, and seek out our heavenly Father... not according to our own acts of righteousness, but according to his many mercies. For he will not turn away anyone that seeks him out, and wants to worship him in spirit and in truth. Therefore, he draws us in, and brings us to his Son... as if we were "lost sheep". This is why we must pray for our daily bread... because we're not praying for bread that we'll eat and then perish. But we're praying for the true bread from heaven, Jesus Christ himself! Therefore, pray to YHWH for the true bread from heaven. You will not be disappointed. Because when you have him, then you can truly say: "I have the truth!" - John 14:6 For Jesus Christ himself is the "truth" that sets mankind free.
May you have peace and love from YHWH and his Son, Jesus Christ.
I'll bear witness to Jesus Christ wherever they'll put up with me sister. Not that I can post everywhere, because I'm only one person.. But so far, they haven't kicked me out there, so yeah, I'm still posting there. This doesn't mean of course that I agree with everything that is posted there, or anywhere else. Yet, I go there to bear witness of Christ, and to minister to those searching for him.
I'll bear witness to Jesus Christ wherever they'll put up with me sister. Not that I can post everywhere, because I'm only one person.. But so far, they haven't kicked me out there, so yeah, I'm still posting there. This doesn't mean of course that I agree with everything that is posted there, or anywhere else. Yet, I go there to bear witness of Christ, and to minister to those searching for him.
Good for you littleone, I have been through many, many experiences in my 10 year journey with the Lord. It sure is rough road. But God has been faithful that my faith has been increasing more and more as years go by. I feel secure even though I did not have organization that are secure. God has been giving me strength not to compromise to worldly and organizational standard.
What you are doing is blessing to those who are discouraged by organizations.
hello littleone,
I'm a little late in the game, but I wish to say hello and to thank you for your posts. Your scriptural insights have been a blessing! _________________ Luci-g
hello littleone,
I'm a little late in the game, but I wish to say hello and to thank you for your posts. Your scriptural insights have been a blessing!
Hi luci. I look forward into reading your posts here, and hearing more from you.
The scriptures are of no importance if not applied. Jesus referred to the scriptures often, "It is written" he placed importance on the Scriptures, in fact it is the Scriptures that show us the wonderful sermon on the mount that Jesus spoke to the many.
Jesus reflected Gods word, it is Jesus who was taught by God and obeyed God and that is the only reason why he remind the perfect human sacrifice, because he was obedient to the word of Jehovah.
It is Gods word that brings comfort, it is Gods word that helps us to remember as we read the accounts of Jesus what a wonderful role model he was, and appreciate that it is Gods word that is light in the darkness, that what we read from the holy bible will be bought up into our minds in times of need, stress and will help us to make the right decisions based on the wisdom written down in Gods Word the holy Bible.
Without Gods word we would not know about Jesus Christ, with out Gods word we would not have come to know who God is, Gods word is a letter from our heavenly Father, and Christ Jesus is our ransom sacrifice, whom we must follow and listen to by the very words he has said in Gods written holy Bible.
I agree with her. I got the impression that you think that the Bible is not so important. I wholeheartedly disagree. We get to know God and Jesus by the Word of God the Bible. If we don't know the Bible we cannot have relationship with them.
The scriptures are of no importance if not applied. Jesus referred to the scriptures often, "It is written" he placed importance on the Scriptures, in fact it is the Scriptures that show us the wonderful sermon on the mount that Jesus spoke to the many.
Jesus reflected Gods word, it is Jesus who was taught by God and obeyed God and that is the only reason why he remind the perfect human sacrifice, because he was obedient to the word of Jehovah.
It is Gods word that brings comfort, it is Gods word that helps us to remember as we read the accounts of Jesus what a wonderful role model he was, and appreciate that it is Gods word that is light in the darkness, that what we read from the holy bible will be bought up into our minds in times of need, stress and will help us to make the right decisions based on the wisdom written down in Gods Word the holy Bible.
Without Gods word we would not know about Jesus Christ, with out Gods word we would not have come to know who God is, Gods word is a letter from our heavenly Father, and Christ Jesus is our ransom sacrifice, whom we must follow and listen to by the very words he has said in Gods written holy Bible.
I agree with her. I got the impression that you don't think that the Bible is not so important. I wholeheartedly disagree. We get to know God and Jesus by the Word of God the Bible. If we don't know the Bible we cannot have relationship with them.
Hi Hitomi,
Let me ask you a question.. When Paul went on his ministry, did he distribute bibles? The answer is pretty obvious... he did not. Why? Because there was no printing press in those days. Copies of the scriptures were rare and hard to come by. If someone wanted a copy of the scriptures, they would have to get it from a scribe... or someone else who was willing to copy it for them... by hand. Most people were illiterate anyways, so even if they did get a copy, they wouldn't be able to read them. Also too, back in those days there was no Christian Greek scriptures... so they would have had to use the Hebrew scriptures, or the Greek Septuagint. Yet, then again, they would either have to speak Hebrew or Greek, or have someone translate it for them.
Perhaps Paul had his own personal copy of the scriptures... yet, the ones he was preaching to certainly did not. Sure, when he used to preach in Jewish synagogues there was no doubt that a copy of the scriptures was available. Yet, when he preached in other communities... gentile communities... of course there was no copies of the scriptures. As a matter of fact, these people probably never even heard of the stories in the Hebrew scriptures... as they were not Jews. So then, how did Paul preach? How did he convert these ones and pass these ones over to Christ... baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? How did these ones in turn get to know YHWH if it wasn't through the scriptures?
As for the scriptures, I have the highest regard for them. For they are inspired by YHWH himself. They are vitally important for teaching, reproving and setting things straight... that we may be fully equipped for every good work. I have the highest regard for the Bible... and believe that the scriptures are vitally important for us. But yet, we do NOT get to know YHWH through the scriptures. We can definitely learn about him through the scriptures... but we cannot "know" him through the scriptures. You can ONLY know YHWH through Jesus Christ. Those early gentile Christians got to KNOW YHWH... at least those who were faithful did.... even apart from having a copy of the scriptures. How could this be?
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: Hi again,
Hi Hitomi,
I figured I'd follow up on my last post, since I wrote it before I went to sleep and was pretty tired when I wrote it. You said to me:
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We get to know God and Jesus by the Word of God the Bible. If we don't know the Bible we cannot have relationship with them.
I want to share a scripture with you:
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"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." - Matt 11:27
This is a pretty powerful statement that Jesus makes here. He says that He is the one that can reveal the Father to someone so that they could "know" him. See, the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day also thought they could know YHWH through the scriptures. Although it is definately true that we can learn about YHWH through the scriptures... we cannot "KNOW" him through the scriptures. We can only know him through Jesus Christ. Yet, what does Jesus say right after he said the words above?
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Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." - Matt 11:28-30
He says: "Come to me" See, Jesus also wants us to "know" his Father. Therefore, he invites us to "come" to him, and follow him... and get to know him first. In this way, he reveals his Father YHWH to us.
The truth of the matter is that apart from Jesus, we cannot know YHWH at all. We can learn about him from the scriptures, but we cannot "know" him unless Jesus reveals him to us. I cannot do that for you, and the scriptures cannot do that for you... only Jesus Christ can do that for you.
So can we get to know YHWH through the scriptures? No. We only get to know him through Jesus Christ. Yet, how important is it for us to know YHWH??? Jesus answers:
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Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. - John 17:3
See, the Pharisees in Jesus' day had plenty of "knowledge" about YHWH... yet they did not KNOW him.
Another example:
If I want to learn about someone... let's say I want to learn about a famous singer or entertainer. I can easily go to the library, and read books about that person. As a matter of fact, if they were to have written an autobiography about themselves, I could easily read that book and learn all sorts of thigs about that person. Yet, if someone asked me about them, could I really say I "knew" that person? No. If I were to meet that person somewhere, would they know me? No. The truth of the matter is that I could have all sorts of knowledge about that person... I could know what they like to wear, what they like to eat, what they like to do for fun, and on and on. Yet, I still would not know that person would I?
Well the same thing applies here. We can take in knowledge about YHWH, yet it is not based on that knowledge that we come to "know" him. Rather, we can only know him if Christ reveals him to us. But before Christ can reveal him to us, we also have to get to know Christ first. Correct? We can take in all sorts of knowledge about Jesus... but we really cannot know him unless we "come to" him, can we? No. Therefore, if we "go to" Christ, and get to know Jesus... not based on what the bible tells us, but based on what the "spirit" tells us, then we will really know him. In this manner, the scriptures bear witness to Jesus. They do not impart everlasting life to us... only Jesus does that.
Jesus bears witness to this fact when he says this to the people:
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You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. - John 5:40
I am so thankful to YHWH that the scriptures are now readily available to almost anyone who wants to have them. Here in North America, and in most places on the earth, everyone has access to them in one shape or another... by printed page or by electronic page. There are yet countries and places that the scriptures are not readily available... but in most places they are. Therefore, we no longer have an excuse for lacking faith... as the scriptures themselves bear witness to Jesus, and declare to us that we must go to him for salvation. In this regard, we can all take comfort. Because the bible gives us all the tools we need to teach, reprove and set matters straight according to the good news.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: Re: Hi again,
littleone wrote:
This is a pretty powerful statement that Jesus makes here. He says that He is the one that can reveal the Father to someone so that they could "know" him. See, the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus' day also thought they could know YHWH through the scriptures. Although it is definately true that we can learn about YHWH through the scriptures... we cannot "KNOW" him through the scriptures. We can only know him through Jesus Christ. Yet, what does Jesus say right after he said the words above?
How do you get to know Jesus?
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He says: "Come to me" See, Jesus also wants us to "know" his Father. Therefore, he invites us to "come" to him, and follow him... and get to know him first. In this way, he reveals his Father YHWH to us.
Again how?
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The truth of the matter is that apart from Jesus, we cannot know YHWH at all. We can learn about him from the scriptures, but we cannot "know" him unless Jesus reveals him to us. I cannot do that for you, and the scriptures cannot do that for you... only Jesus Christ can do that for you.
We all know that but you are not explaining how.
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See, the Pharisees in Jesus' day had plenty of "knowledge" about YHWH... yet they did not KNOW him.
They did not know YHWH. They were disobedients and hypocrites.
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If I want to learn about someone... let's say I want to learn about a famous singer or entertainer. I can easily go to the library, and read books about that person. As a matter of fact, if they were to have written an autobiography about themselves, I could easily read that book and learn all sorts of thigs about that person. Yet, if someone asked me about them, could I really say I "knew" that person? No. If I were to meet that person somewhere, would they know me? No. The truth of the matter is that I could have all sorts of knowledge about that person... I could know what they like to wear, what they like to eat, what they like to do for fun, and on and on. Yet, I still would not know that person would I?
So what do you do to get to know that person?
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Well the same thing applies here. We can take in knowledge about YHWH, yet it is not based on that knowledge that we come to "know" him. Rather, we can only know him if Christ reveals him to us. But before Christ can reveal him to us, we also have to get to know Christ first. Correct? We can take in all sorts of knowledge about Jesus... but we really cannot know him unless we "come to" him, can we? No. Therefore, if we "go to" Christ, and get to know Jesus... not based on what the bible tells us, but based on what the "spirit" tells us, then we will really know him. In this manner, the scriptures bear witness to Jesus. They do not impart everlasting life to us... only Jesus does that.
Jesus bears witness to this fact when he says this to the people:
How does Jesus reveal to us?
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You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. - John 5:40
Jesus said that because they did not apply to their practice what they learn.
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I am so thankful to YHWH that the scriptures are now readily available to almost anyone who wants to have them. Here in North America, and in most places on the earth, everyone has access to them in one shape or another... by printed page or by electronic page. There are yet countries and places that the scriptures are not readily available... but in most places they are. Therefore, we no longer have an excuse for lacking faith... as the scriptures themselves bear witness to Jesus, and declare to us that we must go to him for salvation. In this regard, we can all take comfort. Because the bible gives us all the tools we need to teach, reprove and set matters straight according to the good news.
If we are thankful we learn about Him and put into practice what we learn.
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Hi again,
joyful wrote:
How do you get to know Jesus?
Again how?
So what do you do to get to know that person?
How does Jesus reveal to us?
Hi Hitomi,
For a quick answer to each of these questions... through Holy Spirit
For the long answer, continue to read:
As with any relationship, communication is key. It lets you sense where you stand with that particular individual. Without communication, there really is no relationship. People base their relationships based on the communication they have with each other. Countries also base their relationships with other countries based on the communication they have with each other. Likewise, there has to be communication with your spiritual relationship with YHWH and his Son. If there is no communication between two parties, then there is no relationship.
How do we communicate with God? With prayer. We pray to the "hearer" of prayer, YHWH. He doesn't listen to our oral voice. Instead, he listens to our heart and spirit in a matter. How does YHWH communicate back with us? Through the spirit... Holy Spirit. The spirit bears witness when we are in union with Christ. Likewise, it also bears witness when we are parted from him, because we "grieve the spirit". Likewise, that spirit also sheds light upon YHWH's purpose for us, and can and does teach us, give us a reproof, comfort us, and even give us warnings. YHWH is a spirit. Therefore, we must worship him in spirit and in truth. Likewise, he also communicates with us through the spirit.
Consider this:
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Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it. The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven.- Hebrews 1:1-3
According to the scripture, how did God talk to our forefathers? Through prophets. These men were born along by spirit, and they in turn spoke to the people. Yet, he spoke to them through the spirit. Likewise, how does God talk to us today? Through his Son. His Son, Jesus Christ, promised his disciples something before he ascended into the heavens. He promised them a "helper" that would ALWAYS be with them. Let's read what he said:
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“If YOU love me, YOU will observe my commandments; 16 and I will request the Father and he will give YOU another helper to be with YOU forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither beholds it nor knows it. YOU know it, because it remains with YOU and is in YOU. 18 I shall not leave YOU bereaved. I am coming to YOU. 19 A little longer and the world will behold me no more, but YOU will behold me, because I live and YOU will live. 20 In that day YOU will know that I am in union with my Father and YOU are in union with me and I am in union with YOU. 21 He that has my commandments and observes them, that one is he who loves me. In turn he that loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will plainly show myself to him.” - John 14:16-21
So what does this "spirit" or "helper" do? First and foremost, it bears witness to "the truth" concerning Jesus Christ. It is the "spirit of the truth". It itself teaches us Christ's things. Yet, we are also shown through the spirit that we are in fact in union with Christ, as the spirit does in fact bear witness to this.
We read again:
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In answer Jesus said to him: “If anyone loves me, he will observe my word, and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make our abode with him. - John 14:24
This is also done through the Holy spirit.
Also he says:
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“While remaining with YOU I have spoken these things to YOU. 26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach YOU all things and bring back to YOUR minds all the things I told YOU. 27 I leave YOU peace, I give YOU my peace. - John 14:25,26
So it is very important to know and understand how our heavenly Father and his Son speak to us nowadays. It is through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the hereditary possession of each and every one of God's sons. It is through this spirit that we call ourselves God's sons.
So then, how does one get the free gift of the Holy Spirit? They must be "born again". Likewise, in order to become "born again", they must accept Jesus Christ as their Lord, Savior, and Master. They must dedicate themselves to following him no matter where he goes, and to obey his commandments. They must be born both of spirit and of water to enter the heavenly kingdom.
The first step is to ask YHWH for the true bread from heaven, and pray with spirit and truth for this bread. The second step is to "hear the word" of Christ and the kingdom... not just with your ears, but with your heart. The seed of "the word", the seed "of Christ", will then grow if it has found fertile soil in your heart. The third step is to feed off of that true bread from heaven, and accept Jesus as your Lord, Savior, and Master, and be baptized. You will then be "born again" and given the free gift of the Holy Spirit which will bear witness to you that you are indeed in union with Christ Jesus, and he in Union with you. Likewise, Christ also reveals his Father through the Holy Spirit. Likewise, the Holy Spirit will teach you from Jesus and his Father. For the things given to you will be given to you from Jesus Christ, who in turn received those things from his Father. You will then be able to "test" these things with the scriptures, which in turn will also bear witness concerning the things Christ has given to you.
Now these steps do not always have to fit in the same order. For instance, with Cornelius, he and his family received the free gift of the Holy Spirit before they were baptized with water. It was while they were hearing the word concerning Jesus Christ from Peter's mouth that the spirit fell upon all those present. Yet, he did pray to God first. With the Ethiopian Eunuch, he heard the word and was baptized and then received the spirit without prayer. As a matter of fact, the scriptures talk about many different spiritual births...all of which could be said to be slightly different. So in this regard, these things lay in YHWH's hands, as it is he who is the one that gets to decide our various spiritual provisions. Yet, there is one common thing they all shared in common, they "heard the word" concerning Christ and the heavenly kingdom, and they exercised faith in Christ. Therefore they "went to" Christ, and learned from him. Yet, this "going to" Christ did not mean they walked to him with physical feet. But instead, they went to him in spirit and in truth.
I hope this helps to answer your questions Hitomi. If not, feel free to ask more questions.
I have to say that your preaching is very dangerous and I don't agree with you at all. The Bible is God breathed and if you don't believe that we have nothing to communicate on.
Of course I believe in the Holy Spirit and He will give us confidence and power to encourage us to keep going for God's purpose.
God gave us His Word, the Bible, to understand YHWH and Jesus. You don't seem to believe that.
Without reading the Bible we are making up our own god.
Of course we should pray constantly, but reading the Bible is equally important part of our walk with Jesus. Without reading the Bible, we have nothing to stand on, sorry.
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