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Abigail
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 Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: FORGIVENESS |
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| How does really know they are forgiven? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: Re: FORGIVENESS |
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| How does really know they are forgiven? |
how does who? people?
it starts with a repentant heart, forgiveness is not just a pass for sinners to keep sinning
if you study the bible more you will learn more, that's a good start, read it every day and think about its teachings and if you are putting them into practice God will help you and give you reassurance and answer your prayers |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:59 am Post subject: |
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| do you read the Bible? are you a christian? we will know how to answer more if we know a little about where you are coming from |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Abigail, we are having some trouble verifying your e-mail, here is the reply from Yahoo:
" Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<abby@yahoo.com>:
67.195.168.31 failed after I sent the message.
Remote host said: 554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (abby@yahoo.com) [-5] - mta170.mail.ac4.yahoo.com"
I understand that if you haven't used your account in a few months they will shut it down, so if you could reactivate your e-mail that would be helpful. We would like to know if you are sincere, if not we will delete your account. thank you. |
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Abigail
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: email |
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no my old email does not work and could not activate it.
what do you mean by sincere?
I do not believe in the trinity, or the jws. or the Bible students. they all have some truth , but many lies. Just looking for answers. maybe i need to go elsewhere. thanks. |
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Abigail
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| tried to answer your private message, but was already blocked. No I have not met you or anyone here on another forum. first one i posted on, a bad experience to say the least. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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We are asking you questions because your question is kind of weird if you are a Christian.
You say you are not trinitarian, not jw, not Bible student yet ask such basic question you should know already.
thanks.
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Abigail
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| christain or not , how would anyone know FOR SURE that they are forgiven? Maybe God does not forgive what He considers gross sin. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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I just checked your account and you are activated. when you are activated you can use PM too.
When you can post, you can also pm.
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joyful
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| Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Abigail wrote: |
| christain or not , how would anyone know FOR SURE that they are forgiven? Maybe God does not forgive what He considers gross sin. |
It is up to God if they are forgiven. If you have relationship with God, you would know. If you dont, you have a problem as Jesus' follower.
BTW, if you are not a christian, first you have to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior to be forgiven your sins.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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| Abigail wrote: |
tried to answer your private message, but was already blocked.
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ok, the private messages should be working now.
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| No I have not met you or anyone here on another forum. first one i posted on, a bad experience to say the least. |
ok, joyful is the main owner of this forum so please discuss with her about any concerns, and I don't understand what you mean about having a bad experience, was that here or are you saying on some other forum in general, but if that was here, please discuss with joyful
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: Re: email |
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| Abigail wrote: |
no my old email does not work and could not activate it.
what do you mean by sincere? |
we get lots of spammers mainly |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: Re: email |
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| Abigail wrote: |
no my old email does not work and could not activate it.
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if that is your e-mail, you should be able to reactivate it. so it doesn't seem like that is a real e-mail address that belongs to you. we aren't trying to bug you about it, it just does not make sense to have an e-mail account that you can't access. I had a dormant account on yahoo and was easily able to reactivate it.
either you gave up the account and someone else now owns it, or it is dormant and you should be able to reactivate it, or you aren't tech savvy, or it just isn't your account, we can't think of any other reason your e-mail wouldn't work if it is yours.
but we can drop the e-mail verification, it isn't that big a deal. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: |
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| Abigail wrote: |
| christain or not , how would anyone know FOR SURE that they are forgiven? Maybe God does not forgive what He considers gross sin. |
after reading the Bible, which is a very important way to learn about God, the Bible says He gives the Holy Spirit who will also teach people things, but the Bible also talks about obeying God, so putting that together, the Holy Spirit will give you reassurance, and God will also give a person a clear conscience, at least that is what I believe and what I see from the Bible.
some New Testament verses:
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Hebrews 10:22 New International Version
let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
1 peter 3:21 New International Version
let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
1 Timothy 1:5 New International Version
The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.
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a conscience can be hardened to a point that it is useless if a person never pays attention to it
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1 timothy 4:2 New International Version
Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. |
to really know if a person has a clean conscience also includes being honest and doing what is morally right, that is God's standard, if we don't care about lying and stealing and other sins, God won't share deeper truths with a person who doesn't care about what is right to Him.
it is somewhat harder to know how God will judge other people individually besides what the Bible teaches, the Bible teaches there are going to be hypocrites who will be sorted out later in judgement because only God really knows the secret thoughts of a person. Christians just try to encourage others about God the best they can because that seems to be part of loving other people biblically, is sharing God and hope of eternal things and avoiding sin.
Jina (joyful's daughter). |
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I believe we (joyful and our family) differ from the mainstream church view at least by many televangelists and "once saved always saved" (aka OSAS often Baptists) churchgoers, that they would say Jesus died on the cross, He lived a perfect sinless life and He took the death sentence that sin deserves. We agree with that, but the prosperity preachers and OSAS say that is all we need, nothing else, which we disagree with. yes Jesus' sacrifice is enough to save from sins, but He only gives it to you if you repent of what killed Him (sins) and with His power aka Holy Spirit stop sinning purposely as a practice (accidental sins are different than habitual sins), and He helps us mature and grow aka sanctification.
Two points, #1 Repentance of sins is a big part that is missing among mainstream christianity (they pretty much allow a "do your best but don't expect a holy life" low standard).
Also the part of after receiving his sacrifice, then #2 to live a holy life that the Bible and Jesus teaches about, which is where many churches fall short, they don't take Jesus' teachings seriously- Christians are supposed to do what Jesus teaches in the Bible and with the Holy Spirit. An example of churches practice that disagrees with Jesus is in their support of military wars, which we (joyful's family) disagree with also and should probably start a new thread for. Jesus teaches us to love enemies and churches are supporting the military which kills enemies, which we don't support as a follower of Jesus and His teachings.
I believe part of why many churchgoers miss this is they want to follow the popular church philosophies and also they don't read the bible much at all except a few verses the church preaches at the service. unfortunately many churchgoers and people claiming to be christians also twist the bible out of context, which is why you should read it for yourself, but the truth will only come if you are seeking the truth and not trying to twist it for selfish motives, which many people do unfortunately. We need to read it in context and with the attitude of "what is God really saying, even if it disagrees with what I may have thought or been taught earlier by someone else." |
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humbleservant
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ADMIN, Joyful & family,
My views agree with your views, as you have just expressed them.(as far as I know)
I am looking forward to some encouraging conversations.
WCL, Your brother in Christ,
Ion
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