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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: ELIJAH's VOICE Reply with quote

Dear friends , (Psalm 119:63)
Time has come for Jehovah to work (to act) .Ps.119:126.
His work (in these days) is to send His prophet Elijah for , "to turn the heart of the fathers to the children , and the heart of the children to their fathers". Malachi 4:5,6.
JEHOVAH God has sent one of His elected ones to do the work "in the spirit and the power of Elijah" Luke 1:17 .
Also , Elijah's work is to "restore all things". Matt.17:11.
His message means the "tidings out of the east and out of the north" that shall trouble the king of the north (man of lawlessness) ! Daniel 11:44.
His message contains the understanding given through the Spirit of the truth (John 16:13) about the Beast and its "man number" 666 (Rev.13:18 ) !

All these you will find on the site http://www.geocities.com/sas_gavril

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and http://www.grupcaleasfanta.ro


See also :Jeremiah 51:9 Zeccariah 2:7 ; 8:1-8 Micah 4:6,7 Amos 3:7
Hosea 4:6 ; 6:1-3,6 ; 14:1-9 2John 1:9 Rev.10:5-7,11 ; 14:3 ; 15:2,3 ; 22:10-15 !

Let Jehovah bless all of you that fear HIM !

Sincerely , Rus Virgil from Romania .
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank you rus for your post. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To the covenant people of the Holy and Living God, Jehovah!

"Even now", declares the Lord, "return to me with all your heart, with fasting and weeping and mourning!" (Joel 2:12)

According to Jesus' words, in the last times, "the abomination that causes desolation" had to settle in the "holy place". (Mat. 24:15) "The abomination" represents the idolatry traditions that were adopted by the covenant people of God. (Jer. 44:2-6) This way, they drew God's anger, as it is prophetically written in the book of Deutoronomy, 32: 16, 21, 22. There are two tools used for punishing we are talked about: "the fang of the wild beasts and the venom


Rus,

Are you saying that WTS is the beast?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The WTS at its origin was a tool in the hand of the God's people (for printing , spreading the word worlwide , etc )
But in time , people like Esau/Edom grew in number inside God's people and took control over the society , and by means of it took the control over almost all God's people on earth ! It was a movement come from Satan..., done by his seed.
From Jehovah's point of view , starting with 1942/january the org. became THE BEAST.
The literal results of it opresing Jehovah's faithfull servants became seen later...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rus virgil wrote:
The WTS at its origin was a tool in the hand of the God's people (for printing , spreading the word worlwide , etc )
But in time , people like Esau/Edom grew in number inside God's people and took control over the society , and by means of it took the control over almost all God's people on earth ! It was a movement come from Satan..., done by his seed.
From Jehovah's point of view , starting with 1942/january the org. became THE BEAST.
The literal results of it opresing Jehovah's faithfull servants became seen later...


You are missing the Trinitarians' evil practices. Why do you ex-JWs always target only WTS? You ex-JWs are not being fair critics as Jesus' followers.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joyful wrote:


You are missing the Trinitarians' evil practices. Why do you ex-JWs always target only WTS? You ex-JWs are not being fair critics as Jesus' followers.

love, hitomi


Dears ,
Jehovah is a God of order !
He stored a lot of knowledge /jots or tittles / in His word , the O.T.(Matt.5:17,18 ).
Jehovah fulfills His word/jots of prophecies in a certai order , according to His will .
The same , He reveals His word and His actions to His prophets in a certain order. Amos 3:7.
In prophecies , God spoke about "Babylon"/see Isaiah 13/ , and also about "the daughter of Babylon"/Isaiah 47.
They are two distinct thinghs !
But "the daughter" resembles with her mother ! See Ezekiel 16:44.
Their resemblance is also shown in Revelation 17:3,4. They have the same colour : red scarlet .

Now, let us understand: the identity of the Babylon (the Great) was disclosed to God's people during the time of bro. Rutherford .
It is what Jesus called "the world" , all humankind/Adam's offsprings being in darkness regarding God the Creator and His will and works , involved in some domains : politics , religious , trade/commerce and militarism.( Attention Joyful: here the trinitarians are included ! ).

Now remans a "secret": who is "the daughter" ?
In theese days Jehova started to reveal exactly that (to His prophets)!
The daughter of Babylon grew up/developped exacly inside God's people !
Her discloser has to do with the judgement started at God's house !
That's why this teaching regards only things happened inside God's people !
This teachig is regarding /the revealing of/"the mystery of iniquity"! 2 Thess.2:7. And that "mystery" is something that has to happen in the "Temple of God" , not in "world" ! 2 Tess.2:4.

Now you have to realize that there is a people on earth that bear God's Name , and God started to proceed with him/people according to what was prophecised in the "SONG OF MOSES" !

SO, I invite you to read and pay attention to the Song of Moses !
See Deuteronomy 31:14 >>32:47.

I hope my answer will help.
Love in Christ,
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joful ,
Ex-Jw may be of two category : worshippers (with spirit and truth ) of Jehovah , and not.

Jesus was a worshipper "with spirit.." .
The fact the Jewish people was rejected by God when Jesus was on earth , as a result of His work (of judgement ), made Him an anti-jewish or an anti-semite ?

I think NOT !

Let us seek for God's will , God's Kingdom and God's righteousness ! Matt 6:33.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rus virgil wrote:
Joful ,
Ex-Jw may be of two category : worshippers (with spirit and truth ) of Jehovah , and not.

Jesus was a worshipper "with spirit.." .
The fact the Jewish people was rejected by God when Jesus was on earth , as a result of His work (of judgement ), made Him an anti-jewish or an anti-semite ?

I think NOT !

Let us seek for God's will , God's Kingdom and God's righteousness ! Matt 6:33.

r.v.


I am talking about your forum, Paradice Cafe; the way they threated me is not Spirit of Jesus, this I know and you don't seem to realize it. They are the ones whom you trust and associate. I dont trust people who cannot tell who is true believer or not. We know if we are true believers or not by our fruit. Your forum people showed me what they are by how they treated me. I hope you don't close your eyes from the reality and truth. Mamy of your forum people are wearing sheep's clothing and playing saints especially main posters and admin team.

PS, I received nasty e-mail from one of your members, and I exposed it but they deleted it right away, too. this guy was saying that I am pretending to be ex-JW and I am a WTS member and came in to the forum to disrupt them.

wake up rus, open your eyes.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now you have to realize that there is a people on earth that bear God's Name , and God started to proceed with him/people according to what was prophecised in the "SONG OF MOSES" !


I don't understand what Moses' song have to do with WTS.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joyful wrote:

I don't understand what Moses' song have to do with WTS.


As Christians ,let us go to Jesus for answers .
Jesus says :
17. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
18. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Matt.5.

So all prophecies will be accomplished by Jesus .

The reality is , at His first coming as a man , He did not accomplished them all , so , it remains for His second coming to accomplish them.
It is not my tought , it is what ap. Peter told us in Acts 3:

19. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

21. Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.


So, about Jesus second coming and his actions have prophecised all His prophets.

The Song of Moses is important , because it is related to God's people , and show to us the way in wich God will treat/proceed with His people , things that have to happen to that people.
Its importance its shown at Rev. 15:3.

What does it have to do with WTS ?

The WTS is close related with God's people.
At the begining wts was a tool in the hand of faithfull ones to print and spread the truth around the world.
But very soon that people became sinful , and they don't obey God's rebuke. They followed their own ways.
For that , Jehovah decided to punish them . How?
By letting them to be opressed by an "nation without understanding ".

21. They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding.
Deuteronomy 32:21.

This unknown nation means the evil elements of the people , who walked and keep walking according to their fleshly desires and not according to God's spirit ! Jeremiah 5:26.
These egoistical men take the control over the WTS and used and keep using that organisation as a tool to opress those that did not violate/break the covenant.

The Song of Moses foretell us that God will intervene to stop the opression, to save His faithfulls. That He will do by starting the JUDGEMENT !
The moment of starting the judgement is shown here:

26. this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low.
Ezekiel 21:26.

God's words "the exalted will be brought low " mean the following action :
Jehovah exposes the present "slave" and his worshippers till the point of disolving their organisation and that under the sight of all humankind !

Then the nations will say:
10. The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
when they bathe their feet in the blood of the wicked.

11. Then men will say,
"Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
surely there is a God who judges the earth."

Psalm 58:10,11.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Song of Moses foretell us that God will intervene to stop the opression, to save His faithfulls. That He will do by starting the JUDGEMENT !
The moment of starting the judgement is shown here:

26. this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Take off the turban, remove the crown. It will not be as it was: The lowly will be exalted and the exalted will be brought low.
Ezekiel 21:26.

God's words "the exalted will be brought low " mean the following action :
Jehovah exposes the present "slave" and his worshippers till the point of disolving their organisation and that under the sight of all humankind !

Then the nations will say:
10. The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
when they bathe their feet in the blood of the wicked.

11. Then men will say,
"Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
surely there is a God who judges the earth."
Psalm 58:10,11.


When does this happen?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello again. Smile

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The WTS is close related with God's people.
At the begining wts was a tool in the hand of faithfull ones to print and spread the truth around the world.


You keep saying this and base your assumptions that the present WTS is the Beast. In reality, don't a large number of other denominations fit that description as well? The Methodist movement was begun by a godly man and yet now has homosexual ministers, Martin Luther was outraged by the unbiblical practices of the Catholic church but later on became a sort of pseudo-Catholocism, the Catholic church itself was a mixture of the true and the false to form the established church but before that it was the "underground church" of the time (which was a tool in the hand of faithful ones to spread the truth around the world) and then with time (many, many years) began persecuting to death those who did not conform with the established pseudo-Christianity they had deemed sacred.
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Rus,

I have enough information about the prophesy and I have my limitation about Bible knowledge. I am doing my best not to be misled falsely. there are tons of false prophets and I dont know who are telling the truth. I will not follow false prophets.. I am not arrogant enough to think I can discern who is telling the truth. The Bible truth is not supposed to be just for the scholars. I will continually telling people to follow Jesus by reading the Bible with all their heart, soul, strength and mind. That's all YHWH and Jesus is asking and my family and I are doing just that.

BTW, I have been reading and studying the Bible daily so I won't be misled. We don't have to rely on others to serve Jesus because we can read the Bible ourselves. When you preach the way you are doing, you are trying to form another sect and it is not so good, rus.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: ELIJAH's VOICE Reply with quote

rus virgil wrote:
Dear friends , (Psalm 119:63)
Time has come for Jehovah to work .Ps.119:126.
His work (in this days) is to send His prophet Elijah for , "to turn the heart of the fathers to the children , and the heart of the children to their fathers". Malachi 4:5,6.
JEHOVAH God has sent one of His elected ones to do the work "in the spirit and the power of Elijah" Luke 1:17 .
Also , Elijah's work is to "restore all things". Matt.17:11.
His message means the "tidings out of the east and out of the north" that shall trouble the king of the north (man of lawlessnes) ! Daniel 11:44.
His message contains the understanding given through the Spirit of the truth (John 16:13) about the Beast and its "man number" 666 (Rev.13:18 ) !

All these you will find on the site http://www.geocities.com/sas_gavril
and http://www.grupcaleasfanta.ro


See also :Jeremiah 51:9 Zeccariah 2:7 ; 8:1-8 Micah 4:6,7 Amos 3:7
Hosea 4:6 ; 6:1-3,6 ; 14:1-9 2John 1:9 Rev.10:5-7,11 ; 14:3 ; 15:2,3 ; 22:10-15 !

Let Jehovah bless all of you that fear HIM !

Sincerely , Rus Virgil from Romania .
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I have to announce you that yahoo closed the adress
http://www.geocities.com/sas_gavril

and the translated material (into english language ) was moved on blog

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in romanian language many articles were posted on site
they can be foun here

http://www.grupcaleasfanta.ro/admin/1.php?do=archives


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all ,
I found as a good thing to post here some of my posts from H2O

I know some of my posts will not be understood by readers,
but I trust God, that He may open the eyes to whomever He wants to understand the prophecy, because the time for their fulfillment is here/ongoing

some of the links contained in those old posts doesn't work now
my powers are weak , but Jehovah will carry on his work I know that.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Date Posted:02/10/2007 15:46:49)

$%*'`[tidingsbearer]%*'`@Reply to : Anonymous

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but if the elected one turns sin like ngo does jehovah god forgive himhe did not allow moses and aron to gain the promise land because of a little thing ????even hiding this fact from jehovahs people till this day no word in the watchtower about it


Dear friend, let us learn from God ( let be God true! ) : when Jesus came on earth , He came to His own / John1:11./

And He preached to all of them , from high priests to the lowest man or widow , inclusive Herod heard ! But in this way took place their judgement ! Because it is written:"And this is the judgement , that the light is come in the world , and men loved darkness rather than light , because their deeds were evil ." John 3:19.

The same hapens when Jesus come second time / in the days of the Son of man Luke 17:22-37

He come again to His own Hebrews 9:28 . Also the purpose of His presence is to.. see Jude vers 14,15 .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Date Posted:02/18/2007 13:09:53)

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Reply to : AnonymousI couldn't get the second link to work.Is all this from the guys in Romania who when communism fell and they were recontacted by the wbts slammed the wbts for going all harlot in the intervening years with sisters with lippy and makeup and brothers driving modern cars etc etc. If it is I want to know more because I agree that the wbts has sold out to satan's worldWell , if you wants to know more , then email to me .r.v.Tidings bearer,I don't know who you are. It is one of the unwritten rules of these types of forums that you never give out personal information. Hey I could email you and then you put me in to the elders in my local congregation who are ju


Now the second link is working ...If you want , you may find who we are .. But the most important is to know each other who we are in spirit :
16So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.
17Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! 2 Cor 5.

yes , I belonged to that mass of J.W. having "old point of view" , but regards me it happen like that :

11 The LORD spoke to me with his strong hand upon me, warning me not to follow the way of this people. He said:

12 "Do not call conspiracy
everything that these people call conspiracy [f] ;
do not fear what they fear,
and do not dread it.

13 The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy,
he is the one you are to fear,
he is the one you are to dread, " Isaiah 8.

Let you try to see what we are now , according to the light that Jehovah revealed to us ! For that , you have to read and meditate to english articles on site www.geocities.com/sas_gavril

Later I'll try to explain shortly what happen in Rom. (it takes to me very much time to exprime something in english... and time is precious). (english words I know are not enough to tell all I want to tell you.)

Anyway , if today those that fear Jehovah feel pains , that means the time is arrived , the Kingdom on earth to be born !

When the pains are strong , the time seems to pass very slowly , when time come to end the pains , it follows the happiness :

16 LORD, they came to you in their distress;
when you disciplined them,
they could barely whisper a prayer.

17 As a woman with child and about to give birth
writhes and cries out in her pain,
so were we in your presence, O LORD.

18 We were with child, we writhed in pain,
but we gave birth to wind.
We have not brought salvation to the earth;
we have not given birth to people of the world.

19 But your dead will live;
their bodies will rise.
You who dwell in the dust,
wake up and shout for joy.
Your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead.

20 Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by. Isaiah 26.

20. I tell you the truth, you will weep and mourn while the world rejoices. You will grieve, but your grief will turn to joy.
21. A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.
22. So with you: Now is your time of grief, but I will see you again and you will rejoice, and no one will take away your joy.
23. In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. John 16.

Again , it is written in Isaiah 17 :

7 In that day men will look to their Maker
and turn their eyes to the Holy One of Israel.

8 They will not look to the altars,
the work of their hands,
and they will have no regard for the Asherah poles [a]
and the incense altars their fingers have made.

Another words from Isaiah 42 :

14 "For a long time I have kept silent,
I have been quiet and held myself back.
But now, like a woman in childbirth,
I cry out, I gasp and pant.

15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills
and dry up all their vegetation;
I will turn rivers into islands
and dry up the pools.

16 I will lead the blind by ways they have not known,
along unfamiliar paths I will guide them;
I will turn the darkness into light before them
and make the rough places smooth.
These are the things I will do;
I will not forsake them.

17 But those who trust in idols,
who say to images, 'You are our gods,'
will be turned back in utter shame.

Yes , Jehovah kept silence for a long time . In 1942 the day of God's anger ( wrath ) against His own people had begun !

starting from that time Jehovah hid His Face from His people ... according to His promise told in "Song of Moses " :

18 You deserted the Rock, who fathered you;
you forgot the God who gave you birth.

19 The LORD saw this and rejected them
because he was angered by his sons and daughters.

20 "I will hide my face from them," he said,
"and see what their end will be;
for they are a perverse generation,
children who are unfaithful.

21 They made me jealous by what is no god
and angered me with their worthless idols.
I will make them envious by those who are not a people;
I will make them angry by a nation that has no understanding. Deuter.32.


That it could be seen as happening (from a long time) in so-called "God's Organisation" : a nation without spiritual understanding , that is opressing those meek and heart-contrites . That nation is composed from the FDS and those worshipping him and its teachings , as idols , ( rather than obeing Jehovah ). That nation characterised by bad-heart before Jehovah, is that of wich Jesus spoke about in Matt 24:34 :

34. I tell you the truth, this generation (or race , sort of people) will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

In what regards (here I meant: regarding ) the good-heart people (righteus ones) , it is written for them : see Isaiah 26:2 :

2. Open the gates
that the righteous nation may enter,
the nation that keeps faith.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

words of encouragement from somebody:
(Date Posted:02/25/2007 07:39:18 )

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yes there were times elijah lost hope and was in despair and jehovah god picked him

up by the shoe strings so remember the lost ones out here jehovah god loves them

and you to

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(Date Posted:03/25/2007 14:49:07)

1 Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear.

2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

3 For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken lies, and your tongue mutters wicked things.

4 No one calls for justice; no one pleads his case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments and speak lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.

5 They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider's web. Whoever eats their eggs will die, and when one is broken, an adder is hatched.

9 So justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We look for light, but all is darkness; for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.

10 Like the blind we grope along the wall, feeling our way like men without eyes. At midday we stumble as if it were twilight; among the strong, we are like the dead.

11 We all growl like bears; we moan mournfully like doves. We look for justice, but find none; for deliverance, but it is far away.

12 For our offenses are many in your sight, and our sins testify against us. Our offenses are ever with us, and we acknowledge our iniquities:

13 rebellion and treachery against the LORD, turning our backs on our God, fomenting oppression and revolt, uttering lies our hearts have conceived.

14 So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter.

15 Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey. The LORD looked and was displeased that there was no justice.

16 He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm worked salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him.

17 He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak.

18 According to what they have done, so will he repay wrath to his enemies and retribution to his foes; he will repay the islands their due.

19 From the west, men will fear the name of the LORD, and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory. For he will come like a pent-up flood that the breath of the LORD drives along. [a]

20 "The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins," declares the LORD.

21 "As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever," says the LORD.

8 He said, "Surely they are my people,
sons who will not be false to me";
and so he became their Savior.

9 In all their distress he too was distressed,
and the angel of his presence saved them.
In his love and mercy he redeemed them;
he lifted them up and carried them
all the days of old.

10 Yet they rebelled
and grieved his Holy Spirit.
So he turned and became their enemy
and he himself fought against them.



18 For a little while your people possessed your holy place,
but now our enemies have trampled down your sanctuary.

19 We are yours from of old;
but you have not ruled over them,
they have not been called by your name. [b]



6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

7 No one calls on your name
or strives to lay hold of you;
for you have hidden your face from us
and made us waste away because of our sins.

8 Yet, O LORD, you are our Father.
We are the clay, you are the potter;
we are all the work of your hand.

9 Do not be angry beyond measure, O LORD;
do not remember our sins forever.
Oh, look upon us, we pray,
for we are all your people.

10 Your sacred cities have become a desert;
even Zion is a desert, Jerusalem a desolation.

11 Our holy and glorious temple, where our fathers praised you,
has been burned with fire,
and all that we treasured lies in ruins.

12 After all this, O LORD, will you hold yourself back?
Will you keep silent and punish us beyond measure?



18 Yet the LORD longs to be gracious to you;
he rises to show you compassion.
For the LORD is a God of justice.
Blessed are all who wait for him!

19 O people of Zion, who live in Jerusalem, you will weep no more. How gracious he will be when you cry for help! As soon as he hears, he will answer you. 20 Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, "This is the way; walk in it." 22 Then you will defile your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, "Away with you!"



25 In the day of great slaughter, when the towers fall, streams of water will flow on every high mountain and every lofty hill. 26 The moon will shine like the sun, and the sunlight will be seven times brighter, like the light of seven full days, when the LORD binds up the bruises of his people and heals the wounds he inflicted.

27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar,
with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke;
his lips are full of wrath,
and his tongue is a consuming fire.

28 His breath is like a rushing torrent,
rising up to the neck.
He shakes the nations in the sieve of destruction;
he places in the jaws of the peoples
a bit that leads them astray.

29 And you will sing
as on the night you celebrate a holy festival;
your hearts will rejoice
as when people go up with flutes
to the mountain of the LORD,
to the Rock of Israel.

30 The LORD will cause men to hear his majestic voice
and will make them see his arm coming down
with raging anger and consuming fire,
with cloudburst, thunderstorm and hail.

31 The voice of the LORD will shatter Assyria;
with his scepter he will strike them down.

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14 When you see this, your heart will rejoice
and you will flourish like grass;
the hand of the LORD will be made known to his servants,
but his fury will be shown to his foes.

1 "If you will return, O Israel,
return to me,"
declares the LORD.
"If you put your detestable idols out of my sight
and no longer go astray,

2 and if in a truthful, just and righteous way
you swear, 'As surely as the LORD lives,'
then the nations will be blessed by him
and in him they will glory."

3 This is what the LORD says to the men of Judah and to Jerusalem:
"Break up your unplowed ground
and do not sow among thorns.

Please , you that worship Jehovah "with spirit and with truth" ,DO TRY to understand these God's words (spiritually) !

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Date Posted:03/26/2007 11:13:32)

Man has fear of man , instead of fearing God .Look what Jehovah says :

5 This is what the LORD says:
"Cursed is the one who trusts in man,
who depends on flesh for his strength
and whose heart turns away from the LORD.

6 He will be like a bush in the wastelands;
he will not see prosperity when it comes.
He will dwell in the parched places of the desert,
in a salt land where no one lives.

7 "But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD,
whose confidence is in him.

8 He will be like a tree planted by the water
that sends out its roots by the stream.
It does not fear when heat comes;
its leaves are always green.
It has no worries in a year of drought
and never fails to bear fruit." Jeremiah 17.


In Romania after 1948 when the WT branch was banned , it was not possible to be well organized and in touch with "mother"-the society , without being the communist security involved. So, a large mass of J.w.considered (in the middle of '50)that a such kind of serving Jehovah is "with compromise" ,and not acceptable to Him .So, these brothers needed to feed themselves with spiritual food from Rutherford's time.At that time their number was about half of J.w. number in Rom. After 1970 from that mass of J.w. split out some others little groups having different ideas . But the mass of "the old J.W." kept going on , till 1990 when they got into legallity by registering themselves as "the True-Faith- J.W.".
Starting with that time inside of that group of jw developped a class of persons with influence wich lead the group trying to imitate the Society's work in its manifestation of years 1945-1960.
My childhood has been in that community ,yet , much before to be registered (that group) in 1990. But unlike others I was interested in understanding God's work this day. So I was looking for spiritual israelites , and wanting to know what happens to them , after convinced myself the "slave"of WTS is that shown in 1Thess.2:4 , and on the other hand , we , in Rom. are not what some claim to be : the true people of JEHOVAH !
So I start to search the Bible ...In time God got me in touch with bro. Sas .
God is giving to us trough him a good understanding of His Word , concerning to what happens to His people in the "latter days" (wich preceed our Lords coming).see Jeremiah23:20/30:24.
Bro. Sas came out of organisation WT in summer 2001 , and me , came out of "true faith..." in autumn 2002 .
God's Spirit of truth (John 16:13) reveals to the (REMNANT of)anointed , nowdays the spiritual light upon ...what means to worship GOD in spirit and truth , what's teaching of Christ (2John9) , what means "that generation" , "the seven times of gentiles"(how long they are , when they did start and when they will end ) ,when started God's Kingdom in Heaven and how will it get the start on earth ,what is the wild-beast with its mark 666 (to understand that, please,read carefully the second article on english site www.geocities.com/sas_gavril ).
Please , do read all of you Ezekiel 34 entire chapter ...there is a present history that happen INSIDE of God's people. There , God's promises may comfort you...Jehovah will solve this situation by means of a right judgement between sheep and sheep , and between shep and goat (under the eyes of all mankind ).
10 The righteous will be glad when they are avenged,
when they bathe their feet in the blood of the wicked.

11 Then men will say,
"Surely the righteous still are rewarded;
surely there is a God who judges the earth." Psalm 58:10,11.


Jehovah reveals now that WT society fulfill the prophecies by becoming itself the "daughter of babylon"(Isaiah 47 entire),and God's commandment to His worshippers is :GET OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE ! see Zechariah 2:7 .
I hope you will understand !

Sorely , now this group of J.w. keeping the old teaching doesn't receive the light Jehovah is releasing now through His elected ones. They posted a declaration self-laudative about their number

http://www.jehovahswitnessonline.com/viewtopic.php?t=16814

But , on the other hand , there are a lot of sheep there , as in religious org. , that Jehovah is going to gather under His Sheperd !

Let us see in short what God's Spirit teach us today :

-- Jesus became King entroned at His ascension ;the apostles received the confirmation at pentecosta :Acts 2:36/5:31. -- Ps.110:1 was fullfiled then , not in 1914.see Acts 2:33-35.

--the second coming has nothing to do with the instalation in Heaven of the Kingdom , but it means the time and the preparation (judgement) on earth , with the purpose of installation here of God's Kingdom !

--the meanings of year 1914 is human teaching , not biblical ! There is no biblical reason to apply 1 year to every one day of those 2520 days-period ! There is no biblical evidence to decide that period will start in year of falling down of ancient Jerusalym ! ALL this periods of time belonges to Daniel's prophecies . Jehovah sent His Angel to tell to Daniel WHEN this prophecies will fullfil , and with who ,see Daniel 10:14

14 Now I have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision concerns a time yet to come."

So Jehovah's direction show to a fullfilment of the prophecie at "the latter days" , and within Daniel's people , meaning spiritual Israel ! So , ALL the periods : 3 and half days, 1260days, 1290 days, 1335 days . 2300 days , 2520 days , all have their place INSIDE the period called "the latter days" , a period that will end with His second presence , or the days of Son of man .

Accordingly with Pharaon's dreams , the latter days will be formed by TWO periods of a 7 days each period : -- 7 days of plenty (spiritually) of total lenght 70 years , 1872-1942 ; a second period of famine (spiritually) , again 70 years ,1942-2012 . The last 70 years is the day of Jehovah's anger (wrath) against His people of saints , a period of punishment for the sins of His people ,done prior to that period . That period is the allowed time for Man Of Lawlessnes to reign in the Temple , opressing the saints. That is "the great tribulation" that sas to be shortened for the sake of elected ones . The 70 litteral years was shown in symbol as being the 7 times (of gentiles) , or 2520 days ;this period is shortened to 2300 days .Then start the judgement at His House ! see Daniel 8:13,14,26. the 2300 days correspond to 63 years and 9 months .So , starting with January 1942 , in autumn of 2005 this period is finished . Then the judgement begun ! What ( how ) is the judgement done ? Let listen to Jesus :19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God's light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. John 3.

Dears , Jehovah release the light through His Spirit (John 16:13) , to His elected ! See also Rev. 22:17. God's Spirit is Jehovah's channel of communication , not W.T., --society or magazine!

All of you have a duty before Jehovah , to search for self convinction the message you hear now ; with purpose that your faith to be based on Jehovah's Word , NOT human's !

Furthermore , the Angel's words in Daniel 10:14 show that the actions in prophecie are happening inside God's people ! There are the beasts , meanings groups of persons having common interests and actions , knowing the truth , but having an important characteristic:

10 He will use every kind of evil deception to fool those on their way to destruction, because they refuse to love and accept the truth that would save them. 2 Thess.2.

So , the beasts have their contrapart in God's people , not in wordly political system !

But be you assured by Jehovah Himself , He will do a clear separation between the two class : wheat and weeds !

8. In the whole land," declares the LORD,
"two-thirds will be struck down and perish;
yet one-third will be left in it.

9 This third I will bring into the fire;
I will refine them like silver
and test them like gold.
They will call on my name
and I will answer them;
I will say, 'They are my people,'
and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.' "
Zechariah 13.

9 Who is wise? He will realize these things.
Who is discerning? He will understand them.
The ways of the LORD are right;
the righteous walk in them,
but the rebellious stumble in them. Hosea 14.


With christian love , R.V.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Date Posted:03/28/2007 01:46:42)

Here is the romanian site of TF-J.w.

http://the-true-jw.oltenia.ro/index-ro.html

Also there is a site of another group of J.w. , split out from the mass of old-J.w. in 1970 :

http://www.amir.ro/

In Romania there are 3 registered (legal) groups , and much more non-registered (of old Jw).

Here is an other group in Russia :

http://bashniastrazhy.by.ru/ (not working now )
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