Here are the things most of them believe in, which you can find under FAQ
(And I think you and I will agree with the last one!!)
That Jesus had a pre-human existence as the Logos, God’s Only Begotten Son, not an angel.
That Jesus was raised from the grave, at which time the Father endued him with all power and authority in heaven and earth.
That Jesus paid the price for all men and will bring back all to a resurrection of judgment in the future Millennial age.
That this Judgment day is one of "learning righteousness."
That Jesus is the only way, the truth and the life and there is no other name by which man can be saved.
That salvation is by grace and not by works.
That God is presently selecting a Bride for His Son who will be raised in the "first resurrection."
That these will be joint-heirs with Christ to rule in his future earthly millennial Kingdom.
That the Bible is the inspired Word of God and should be studied contextually as well as topically. The Bible is the final authority for Christians.
That it is the Holy Spirit of God that leads us into all truth and not a man or an organization.
That religious organizations have no authority from God to rule over individual Church groups.
That individual congregations make their own decisions as led by the Holy Spirit.
That the Church is presently being developed under the New Covenant.
That the door to the "high calling" is still open.
That the parable of the "Faithful and Wise Servant" is not representative of any particular individual but teaches faithful watchfulness of all who are fully devoted to the Lord and awaiting His return.
That Jesus alone is pictured in the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament types.
That contextual Bible study is essential to properly understanding and interpreting Scripture.
That the Millennial reign of Christ and his Church is still future.
Though water baptism is a scriptural requirement, it does not have to precede one's becoming a disciple of Jesus Christ. Baptism is not necessarily a prerequisite to one receiving the Holy Spirit. An example of this is found at Acts 10: 45-48. Being baptized is required to show one's public declaration of their acceptance of Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior; and that they have made a firm decision to follow Him.
Not too well. I am studying online. I am finding some legalism in the BS society. It seems they are more like JW in their mentality.
I was expecting more from them.
Not too well. I am studying online. I am finding some legalism in the BS society. It seems they are more like JW in their mentality.
I was expecting more from them.
Thank you for asking.
I knew before that you will get that conclusion ,
now , that you came to a certain knowledge about "God's people"
you will be able to start to understand the prophecy
becausea all prophecies were written concerning God's people who lives at the "later days"
now , that you came to a certain knowledge about "God's people"
you will be able to start to understand the prophecy
becausea all prophecies were written concerning God's people who lives at the "later days"
rus v.
Rus,
I still trust many of Russell's findings. I just don't agree with many of his followers. They sure dissapointed me a big time in very basic christian principle. You don't express much negativity aginst JW, so why are you so against BS? Just because they banned you?
now , that you came to a certain knowledge about "God's people"
you will be able to start to understand the prophecy
becausea all prophecies were written concerning God's people who lives at the "later days"
rus v.
Rus,
I still trust many of Russell's findings. I just don't agree with many of his followers. They sure dissapointed me a big time in very basic christian principle. You don't express much negativity aginst JW, so why are you so against BS? Just because they banned you?
I don't express "much negativity" to BS , not more than to JW.
I'm sorry if you conclusioned that !
I think I recommended to you to read something..
but because I'm not sure you did it
and because there is a lot of space in your forum I will post that here :
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Because is dificult for me to write a long answer , I will copy/ paste a post I wrote on an other thread ; a friend asked me and I answered as it follows :
1) Are you saying that jehovahs witnesess are The exclusive people of Jehovah as were the israelites in Moses day?
the answer:
1. Not only J.w. The gathering that started with Russel marks the begining of God's people -- in the "latter days". Time aproached for God to bring His Kingdom on earth , and that K-dom has to start here with in a people (of saints), so J.God proceed to gather His people.
For a certain man , or group of men , to be considered "alive" from God's point of wiew , they need to "eat" from "Heavenly bread" - John 6:32,33,35.
So , God gave it to them : Ps.78:24/105:40b (prophetically shown here).
What is Heavenly Bread ? -- It is Jesus' sacrifice together with the correct understanding of how it works (a teaching)!
It implies a correct understanding and knowledge about what is the weakness and wilfully sin !
As Jesus teach , after one's baptism/consecration , that "ransom" cover only weakness , while the christian person is commended to "clean" his hearth : see Mark 7:18-23. All this things said by Jesus here are wilfuly sins , and are not forgiven after receiving "the truth" .see Hebr.10:26.!
Jehovah G. trough His spirit helped br.Russel to understand this teaching - in 1872 - and so, that is the very year of starting God's people history -- a year found not by a some kind of chronology , but as a result of a work of God!
God used Russel as "a prophet" Osea12:13 !
Starting with that time many persons came to a good relation with J.G. to do His will ,based on a good fundation.
So from that time, all man that lived according to God's revealed requirement to keep "holy" (1Tess.4:2,3->7,8,9.) wether they call themselves Bible Students , J.witnesses. or dfsp ones, are God's people !
Now ,God was expecting from His people to be "faithfull"....Isaiah 63:8-10 !
But it happens like this : Deut 32:15/ Hosea 11:1,2...5,7,
J.God decided to punish them(it is a manifestation of His RIGHTEUSNESS !) :Isaia 66:18, Jerem.5:29/Deut32:19-21...
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2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
the answer :
2. Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God , and they never teached others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weakness , specially Rutherford .J.God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
The main sin that God charge the two is :Jerem 2:12,13.Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
So , a lot of teachings as chronology/ ( the way to find these years like1914, 1925, etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organisation , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
But because J. God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, He show us they are forgiven trough Christ sacrifice./YHWH cobsidered they had good/clean heart before Him .
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3) Are you saying that 2 thess 3 was then fulfilled when a group took control of the bible students and stood in the holy place?
the answer:
3. While Christ was sowing wheat , when "everybody was sleeping" the enemy sowed the weeds!
Starting exactly with Russel , the sheperds of Israel were sleeping regarding to ... what is written at Hebrews 12:16,17. So persons like Esau were "born" into christian cong. They got numerous and became the "opposite" side of truth --the weeds. Because even the wheat sinned against God , He decided "a day" or a period of punishment for His people (the holy ones) that punishment meant to be : the holy ones loose the leadership over God's house and the Esau house gain it ! the "7 persons-heads" that took control after Rutherford's death belonged to Edom.. they teached (indirectly) that Christ ransom cover the wilfully sin , that means they took away the continual offering see Dan 8:11. The holy place does not means --the society , but referres to the spiritual Temple and the (kind of) worship there.
So , the weeds entered before in Temple , but when they took control of Society , and so , over God's people , they in fact elevated themselves to the position of GOD accordingly to 2 Tess.2 :4.
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4) Are you saying that they tampered with the word of God by creating the NWT to mislead the sheep?
the answer :
4. Yes they "adapted" the bible to their purposes !
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5) Are you saying that this group are in fact the seven headed wild beast?
the answer :
5. Yes ,they were 7 "anointed" wich proved to lost their anointment because of their works , and they became "the 7 heads"....of the beast but the entire beast include all human - organisational structure that was imposed over God's people all over the earth .In fact , only people who obeyed and subjected themselves under the leadership of those 7 heads were allowed to be in "positions" in this organisation ! they all together are "the body" of the beast.
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6) Are you saying that all those within the WTO have recieved the mark of the beast by being baptised into the WTO?
the answer :
6. the worse thing the beast did is removing Christ sacrifice , hanging Him again , saing and teaching that the wilfully sin is covered by His sacrifice ! All persons believing that , loving that teaching , while they love to play with wilfully sin (and to practice it ) , are those with beast's mark..consciently .
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7) Are you saying that the two annointed witnesess were russell and rutherford and their preaching truth works were stopped by the beast ?
the answer :
7. I didn't say that ! The two witness are two class that compound the body of Christ :the "prophet" and the "priest". both being "wheat".
8 ) Are you saying that the two witnesess (the holy ones) will be soon given the kingdom when they are re-established and the beast is killed ?
the answer :
8. Yes ! the holy ones HAVE (need) first to be cleaned !
and then the kingdom will be done to them! Dan 7:21,22,25,26,27.
they have to be gathered ! Isaiah 11:11/Ezek. 36:24,25,...32!
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9) Are you saying that the only people who have any connection with this work are within the WTO ?
the answer :
9. Not only!
But the most of them (the gross number) are there ... at the daughter of babylon Zech.2:7.
Also there are Bible Students and others , but surely they have had eaten from Heavenly Bread ! (they are those who rightly apreciate what means "be saints because I am saint" as God says.
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10) Do you believe that the wild beast only dominates Gods household rather than the whole of the human race?
the answer :
10. Yes ! they dominates Gods house , while deceiving the whole earth saing that they are God's people or choosen ones...for 67 years till now ! they "interposed" themselves between God and His kingdom , and the rest of all humankind , and that happened in a time permitted by God , this way they dominated all persons on earth who wanted to approach to God and his Kingdom ...
of course , those of humankind who were not interested in serving God , are not part in this picture..
Dear , here is a "body" or a "building" of teaching ! There is a full bible and events to prove it ! Here I used only a few arguments ..God's word touch our hearth! See: Jesus did not told historical tales to his contemporanes about Egipt , Babilon , etc,etc, that they are formed by political or religious or commercial parts... but he told them words that implies directly their hearts and their way to worship God , implying their responsability before God !
Today God's people likes to tale about political beasts...because that not discover what's inside their hearth!!
But today is a time to look for/seek God's righteusness , by returning to Christ's teaching ,to obey it !
God's people untill now was composed by two "nations" :the holy ones or wheat , and the weeds or wicked ones Jer 5:26 Deut 32:21.
Jesus said (Matt 24:34) that nation will not pass till...
He referres not to generation , but to the bad "nation" , the weeds . The wheat will not be able to escape from them (the weeds) untill Jehovah will came through His Messenger , (at the second coming) , while all signs will happen ! He comes to do the judgement at The Temple and all his people , to refine Jacob's sons , to deliver them from under all Babilonysh slavery and to give to them the Kingdom !
The wicked nation is that:see Matt 16:4, the sign of Jonah is , they will see when God's spirit come over the two dead witness and they stay up again ! Rev 11:11.
While the wicked nation will be ready for destruction (even named themselves as J.witness ) ,for the righteous nation today Jehovah is preparing something good ! see Isaiah 26:2 .
2. Open the gates, that the [uncompromisingly] righteous nation which keeps her faith and her troth [with God] may enter in. (where ? see Rev 22: 14,15 )
2) Are you saying that Russell and Rutherford were true sons of the Kingdom ?
the answer :
2. Russel and Rutherford had a heart that loved God , and they never teached others to sin wilfully , in spite of having many weakness , specially Rutherford .J.God speaks right: Isaiah 43:27,28 !
The main sin that God charge the two is :Jerem 2:12,13.Yes , they did not wait for Jehovah in giving the "food", but they mixed the teaching received by Holy Spirit with their own conclusions...
So , a lot of teachings as chronology/ ( the way to find these years like1914, 1925, etc.), piramydology , natural Israel as God's people , God's earthly organisation , etc,etc,... are NOT biblically and NOT from God !
But because J. God uses them to give food and warnings to His people, He show us they are forgiven trough Christ sacrifice./YHWH cobsidered they had good/clean heart before Him .
Rus,
I don't know where you got this answer but every BS I know says Rutherford is God's enemy.
I did not go through all of your post yet. Just this part got my attention.
I don't know where you got this answer but every BS I know says Rutherford is God's enemy.
I did not go through all of your post yet. Just this part got my attention
I know that !
It is their opinion !
In fact it was an internal war inside society that time ..
almost all brothers back then wanted to bring the society into a cult temple of obeing and worshipping Russell the fondator..
to stop that , Rutherford had to broke some rules of the society
but doing that , in fact , he did not broke any law of Jehovah !
please understand that the "organisatorial rules" of the society are merely human rules , not God's
please understand that the "society" is not the Kingdom of God !
I don't know where you got this answer but every BS I know says Rutherford is God's enemy.
I did not go through all of your post yet. Just this part got my attention
I know that !
It is their opinion !
In fact it was an internal war inside society that time ..
almost all brothers back then wanted to bring the society into a cult temple of obeing and worshipping Russell the fondator..
to stop that , Rutherford had to broke some rules of the society
but doing that , in fact , he did not broke any law of Jehovah !
please understand that the "organisatorial rules" of the society are merely human rules , not God's
please understand that the "society" is not the Kingdom of God !
please remember that all of us are commanded to seek first the Kingdom and his justice , not society's justice !
So where did you get this answer from, JW? I thouhgt you were talking about BS. since when did you change the subject to JW?
So where did you get this answer from, JW? I thouhgt you were talking about BS. since when did you change the subject to JW?
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Dear sister
it is hard to understand
you need to read the Bible , specially the books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles .
Please observe that Jacob's semincies/tribes were 12.
Jerusalem was on Juda's territory .
Most of the prophecies were concerning Juda and Jerusalem
After the death of Solomon , the 10 tribes divided themselves from Juda and from Jerusalem as capital and have chosed Samaria as capital city
literally God's people were now ...two people , with two cities : Jerusalem and Samariah
it happens something very dificult for us to understand : Jehovah considered furthermore the ten tribes as part of His people , and had prophets and priests inside of these tribes , BUT
-- He remained faithfull to His chosen City : Jerusalem !
He did not changed His decision regarding the Capital of his people !
The ten tribes were taken into slavery by Assyrians with many years before Judah and Jerusalem were taken by Babylonians !
but the prophecies about the "70 years of Jerusalem distructions" afflicted only Jude and Benjamin .
when the 70 years of slavery of Jude were finished/over , and a remnant came out of Babylon to rebuilt the City of Jerusalem and the Temple , Israelites of all 12 semincies/tribes have the oportunity to come back and participe at that operation .
this is the history
and this provide us an example of what is happening in the "latter days" within God's people
please, Joyfull , think to that
in the past , even those who returned from Babylon and rebuilt the Temple / means the true worship/ after a few years have gone ashtray from the true worship (how does Jesus found them when He came ? ),
BUT Bible doesn't say anything about that ...the OT is stopping here with the story ...
WHY ?
it is because , at the time of the end , when the fulfillment of this events will happen within God's spiritual people (of saints ),
those who escape from Babylon will be cleansed by Christ (who is refining them during the judgement of his Temple ) and ..
to them (this cleansed nation ) will be THE KINGDOM GIVEN !
so , finally the "bride" is done/composed by faithfull ones of all 12 tribes
here enters both exBS and exJW
because noBS (in the present state of thinking)
and noJW (in the present state of thinking )
will enter in the Kingdom ,, only if they agree to let Christ to purify them ! _________________ http://putinthesickle.blogspot.com/
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http://obadiah-blogs.blogspot.ro/
I am studing and will not be pursuaded by your views because we discussed some already with you, and you could not or did not answer to our questions..
I am studing and will not be pursuaded by your views because we discussed some already with you, and you could not or did not answer to our questions..
thanks.
You must not let yourself be pursuaded by me !
You must let yourself be pursuaded by Christ !
I am studing and will not be pursuaded by your views because we discussed some already with you, and you could not or did not answer to our questions..
thanks.
You must not let yourself be pursuaded by me !
You must let yourself be pursuaded by Christ !
you directed me to another thread which says absolutely nothing! You did not annswer the questions given to you. If you think youre one, just say so. are you afraid?
you directed me to another thread which says absolutely nothing! You did not annswer the questions given to you. If you think youre one, just say so. are you afraid?
Rus is very selective about replying to the questions. He has some threads he started and did not finish when he was asked questions.
That's why I am very skeptical of what he is learning.
you directed me to another thread which says absolutely nothing! You did not annswer the questions given to you. If you think youre one, just say so. are you afraid?
I was quaite clear there, on another thread.
But I used only a few Biblical verse to prove that .
here I will be a little longer :
Quote:
Quote: so who is this elijah?
Well ,
when someone read Malachi 4, verse 5, he may think that the prophet Elijah (personally) will come .
But that what Jesus teach us, will help us to understand .
Jesus told to his disciples:
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12. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished.. ....
13. Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Matt. 17.
Well , but Jesus was refering to John the Baptist , so how could he be the "Elijah" ?
The inspired scripture answers :
Quote:
13. But the angel said to him: "Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John.
16. Many of the people of Israel will he bring back to the Lord their God.
17. And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous—to make ready a people prepared for the Lord."
So, we can understand that God may fulfill His word in a spiritual way
THE SAME is today , at JESUS second coming , there is no literally Elijah , but there are brothers of Christ , anointed ones , who are elected by Father to work as prophets , and they are "Elijah" - group , or individuals that "come in the spirit and power of Elijah "
To recognise them , you need to search their teaching , to see if that correspond to what is prophetised that Elijah will do .
Jesus says:
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31. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Matt 24.
"His angels" are exactly members of Elijah class , who sounds not their own call , but God's call .
Also , Elijah will restore every thing....and it is shown in Bible , in this time Jesus will come:
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20. and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus.
21. He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.
ACTS 3.
SO , "Elijah" starts to "restore everything" , but finally all "body" of Christ (living on earth in this period) will participate to that operation.
That "restoration" means restorating God's Temple , the worship practiced in the Temple and restorating all "people of God" , the Jacob's sons !
now , regarding myself I never said I am Elijah . Nearby me there is a such brother whom I know , named Sas Gavril , but he doesn't speak other language than romanian
all writings posted on sites I shoved to you are written by him.
about me ,
I did as Jesus said :
Quote:
40. "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.
41. Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man's reward.
42. And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is my disciple, I tell you the truth, he will certainly not lose his reward."
Matthew 10.
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