Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: mark of the beast
"Mark of the beast" is talked in the Revlation 16:2, 19:20; it seems to describing about Trinitarians with their hypocritical practices and blasphemous theologies.
all Christians who are disobedient to YHWH and Jesus, mainly most Catholics and Protestants.
Their biggest sins are Trinity and military because they are ostracizing who don't agree with them IMHO. Their theology and practices seem vicious against their opposers which against Jesus' teachings in many ways.
<<all we can do is guess and your guessing is as good as mine.>>
The "guessing" is not scriptural method of finding the truth !
r.v.
Yes, but noone can be sure about book of Revelation! If we predict the future and publicize and don't come true, we will be a false prophets. It is serious sin agaist YHWH! Remember WTS biggest mistakes.
<<all we can do is guess and your guessing is as good as mine.>>
The "guessing" is not scriptural method of finding the truth !
r.v.
Yes, but noone can be sure about book of Revelation! If we predict the future and publicize and don't come true, we will be a false prophets. It is serious sin agaist YHWH! Remember WTS biggest mistakes.
<<all we can do is guess and your guessing is as good as mine.>>
The "guessing" is not scriptural method of finding the truth !
r.v.
Yes, but noone can be sure about book of Revelation! If we predict the future and publicize and don't come true, we will be a false prophets. It is serious sin agaist YHWH! Remember WTS biggest mistakes.
love, hitomi
So you think this book is only about the future?
Some maybe already fulfilled, who knows. We will find out when we born again.
But if this book is a warning against the mark of the beast, then shouldn't we try and understand it?
I believe prophesies are for the record of proof God can predict the future. We human can only guess. There are strong warning against false prophesy. I believe we are arrogant by saying we can understand prophesy. that's another reason why WTS sound so rrogant too. they think they can understand prophesy books correctly. they already proved being false prophet. that is warning from God not to be so arrogant about the prophesy.
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:02 am Post subject: MARK OF THE BEAST
The Mark of the Beast
Dears , the following Elijah's words fit to the present situation :
21. " Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."
But the people said nothing. " 1 Kings 18.
For a long time God's people worshipped wood-idols .
What is a wood idol ?
8. "They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols. "
8. "They are both stupid and foolish;
the instruction of idols is but wood! " Jeremiah 10.
Any human interpretation (or according to human's will or science) of God's word is a wooden idol !
So , anyone worshiping God according to any human interpretation of God's word , he is in fact a worshiper of wooden idol , even calling himself an "Jehovah Witness" or brother of Christ !
But we are teached by Jesus to worship the Father "in spirit and truth" !
What does it means ?
23But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4.
To worship God in spirit , it means to have the understanding of His word , in spirit
So , what does it means undertanding in spirit ?
If "God is spirit" , understanding "in spirit" means understanding according to His will !
Jesus told us :
12. "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth,for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." John 16.
What is the truth ? Jesus answers :
17. "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth .
So , the spiritual understanding is that based upon all God's word , from Genesis to Rev. , and not upon chronology , piramidology , or other human science .
Regardind Daniel's prophecies , God sent an angel to Daniel to say him His will concerning time and the frame of His prophecies' fullfilment :
14 "And I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people at the end of the days: for the vision is yet for [many] days. "
Daniel 10.
Now , let us find what is the mark of beast according to God's will :
( Here is a quotation from the article "The Beast - the tool of punishment"
written by bro. Sas Gavril , found on www.geocities.com/sas_gavril )
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"As it was previously mentioned, the new leadership that took control of the society in 1945 foremost of whom Knorr edited the book “The Translation of the New World”, which distorted a lot of information in God's word, despite the warning that the Holy Scriptures gave with regard to this.
Thus, it was proven that these people have left Jehovah – “the spring of the living water”. And here is what Jehovah said about these individuals: “Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of the living water” (Jeremiah 17: 13b)
So, in spite of their statements and their claims of being part of the heaven, they have become dust. This is one of the horns, like a lamb's horn. The other horn is exactly the part which was assigned authority and which is shown as being, hopefully, earthly. These horns are like lamb's horns, meaning that they come in the Name of God's Lamb. But next, we are shown that the beast having this appearance was speaking like a dragon. What does this mean? Let us think about it a little. How does a dragon speak? How did it speak in the Garden of Eden when it misled the original couple? Hasn't it spoken by altering God's words?
The same type of speech was imposed on the beast also for it could deceive the people of the world. The picture of “the original beast” is the tool of deceivement, that is the same book we were talking about – “The Translation of the New World ” which the beast indicates and submits to all as being the basic tool in the discovery of truth. Such a serious error! And precisely they who talk about other religions, sects or denominations do this kind of thing when they themselves do it.
All those who consider this picture as being what it claims to be are worshipers of “the beast and his image” (Revelation 14: 9) On the other hand, those who do not worship the beast and its image are “killed”, that is they are denied and banished from within this group of so-called witnesses and, thus “they don't buy and don't sell the rich spiritual asset” given by the <<slave>>! Only those who worship the beast and its image have the sign of the beast!
Concerning the reckoning of the beast's number, 666 we have to understand that time has come for Jehovah to give the necessary wisdom and knowledge to His messenger in order to be able to reckon the number of the beast. The expression “for he is a number of man” helps us understand that it's something concerning the things that are guided by people within the frame of an organized system, but which does not correspond to God's requirements.
During this debate we have noticed that this beast is nothing else but the class of the opponents who settled in the temple as it was prophesied and thus, in relation with this organized system it is indicated to reckon the number of the beast.
So, let us see how we can find this number. At page 109 of the book “Jehovah's witnesses, proclaimers of God's Kingdom”, in the second paragraph the following appear: “Starting with 1 st January 1976 all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of all the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses in the entire world have entered under the supervision of six administrative committees of the government corps. (And here we have the first six) Then, we read on: “In accordance with this measure, on 1 st February 1976 a similar modification took place in every branch of the society. (And this is the second six) Then, going down to the third step – the congregation we observe that there is a committee, which handles all the problems of the congregation. This committee is formed out of six members (and here is the third six) with the following functions and responsabilities: 1 – president; 2 – secretary; 3 – accountant; 4 – the supervisor of the minister school; 5 – the supervisor of the ministry service; 6 – the person who is in charge of the literature department. All these together represent the number 666.
Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of Jehovah there will be more debates in the future concerning the beast or as the prophet Daniel says “the wild animal”. And all these happen because we approach very rapidly to the moment of the liberation of Jehovah's saints whom the beast defeated. With the true judgment that follows this beast will be “taken the domination and completely destroyed forever”.
“But the court will sit and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom and all rulers will worship and obey him.” (Daniel 7: 26b, 27)
So now “a breath of life from God” will enter inside these saints.(Revelation 11: 11) Of course, this thing will bring along not only amazement (2 Thessalonians 1: 10) but also a severe earthquake (Revelation 11: 13)
Then the following events show the fact that “the kingdom of the world” will become “the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever” (Revelation 11: 15)
My beloved brothers, these wonderful things discovered in these times by Jehovah through his Holy Spirit are the quintessence of “the song of Moses, the servant of God and the songs of the Lamb” that “those had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name” (Revelation 15: 2, 3) "
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END quotation.
As apostle Paul said , " but let God be true, and every man false; according as it is written, So that thou shouldest be justified in thy words, and shouldest overcome when thou art in judgment. "
I understand that you are anti-WTS and so am I. But phoney Christian organizations are not WTS only and you are talking as if they are the only one and that is a huge mistake. When you criticize in this manner you are not only unfair but you also sound like you are holding personal grudge against them.
That's the problem about Paradice Caffe. I tried to be fair in evey aspect against all organized churches including WTS. That's why I was ostracized by most of them. Read my last few threads; you will find how vicious they are against me. I know I am faithful Christian but they treated me as if I am phoney Christian. It is dispicable of them to slandering me when I could not defend myself because they suspended me in my very last thread. this is their fruit of spirit; it is not christian spirit. we know by our fruit if we are true followers of Jesus or not.
Please open your eyes to the truth of what is going on and not blinded by your personal experience with WTS. It is my observation; they are holding personal grudge against WTS and they slander everyone who don't agree with them. They are no different from WTS and other phoney organization.
YHWH and Jesus is watching His people how they are treating each other and the way they treated me is not so Christian, my friend.
BTW, admin team gave me many kind of slandring remarks. they talk differently in PMs. that's why I asked them to reveal all PMs regarding my protest and they adamantly refused. They have a lot to hide, my friend. They use secular common sense when it is convenient for them. It appers that they are playing Christians and saints. they are not so pretty behind closed doors.
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: MARK OF THE BEAST
rus virgil wrote:
The Mark of the Beast
Dears , the following Elijah's words fit to the present situation :
21. " Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."
But the people said nothing. " 1 Kings 18.
For a long time God's people worshipped wood-idols .
What is a wood idol ?
8. "They are all senseless and foolish;
they are taught by worthless wooden idols. "
8. "They are both stupid and foolish;
the instruction of idols is but wood! " Jeremiah 10.
Any human interpretation (or according to human's will or science) of God's word is a wooden idol !
So , anyone worshiping God according to any human interpretation of God's word , he is in fact a worshiper of wooden idol , even calling himself an "Jehovah Witness" or brother of Christ !
But we are teached by Jesus to worship the Father "in spirit and truth" !
What does it means ?
23But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4.
To worship God in spirit , it means to have the understanding of His word , in spirit
So , what does it means undertanding in spirit ?
If "God is spirit" , understanding "in spirit" means understanding according to His will !
Jesus told us :
12. "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth,for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." John 16.
What is the truth ? Jesus answers :
17. "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth .
So , the spiritual understanding is that based upon all God's word , from Genesis to Rev. , and not upon chronology , piramidology , or other human science .
Regardind Daniel's prophecies , God sent an angel to Daniel to say him His will concerning time and the frame of His prophecies' fullfilment :
14 "And I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people at the end of the days: for the vision is yet for [many] days. "
Daniel 10.
Now , let us find what is the mark of beast according to God's will :
( Here is a quotation from the article "The Beast - the tool of punishment"
written by bro. Sas Gavril , found on www.geocities.com/sas_gavril )
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"As it was previously mentioned, the new leadership that took control of the society in 1945 foremost of whom Knorr edited the book “The Translation of the New World”, which distorted a lot of information in God's word, despite the warning that the Holy Scriptures gave with regard to this.
Thus, it was proven that these people have left Jehovah – “the spring of the living water”. And here is what Jehovah said about these individuals: “Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken the Lord, the spring of the living water” (Jeremiah 17: 13b)
So, in spite of their statements and their claims of being part of the heaven, they have become dust. This is one of the horns, like a lamb's horn. The other horn is exactly the part which was assigned authority and which is shown as being, hopefully, earthly. These horns are like lamb's horns, meaning that they come in the Name of God's Lamb. But next, we are shown that the beast having this appearance was speaking like a dragon. What does this mean? Let us think about it a little. How does a dragon speak? How did it speak in the Garden of Eden when it misled the original couple? Hasn't it spoken by altering God's words?
The same type of speech was imposed on the beast also for it could deceive the people of the world. The picture of “the original beast” is the tool of deceivement, that is the same book we were talking about – “The Translation of the New World ” which the beast indicates and submits to all as being the basic tool in the discovery of truth. Such a serious error! And precisely they who talk about other religions, sects or denominations do this kind of thing when they themselves do it.
All those who consider this picture as being what it claims to be are worshipers of “the beast and his image” (Revelation 14: 9) On the other hand, those who do not worship the beast and its image are “killed”, that is they are denied and banished from within this group of so-called witnesses and, thus “they don't buy and don't sell the rich spiritual asset” given by the <<slave>>! Only those who worship the beast and its image have the sign of the beast!
Concerning the reckoning of the beast's number, 666 we have to understand that time has come for Jehovah to give the necessary wisdom and knowledge to His messenger in order to be able to reckon the number of the beast. The expression “for he is a number of man” helps us understand that it's something concerning the things that are guided by people within the frame of an organized system, but which does not correspond to God's requirements.
During this debate we have noticed that this beast is nothing else but the class of the opponents who settled in the temple as it was prophesied and thus, in relation with this organized system it is indicated to reckon the number of the beast.
So, let us see how we can find this number. At page 109 of the book “Jehovah's witnesses, proclaimers of God's Kingdom”, in the second paragraph the following appear: “Starting with 1 st January 1976 all the activities of the Watch Tower Society and of all the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses in the entire world have entered under the supervision of six administrative committees of the government corps. (And here we have the first six) Then, we read on: “In accordance with this measure, on 1 st February 1976 a similar modification took place in every branch of the society. (And this is the second six) Then, going down to the third step – the congregation we observe that there is a committee, which handles all the problems of the congregation. This committee is formed out of six members (and here is the third six) with the following functions and responsabilities: 1 – president; 2 – secretary; 3 – accountant; 4 – the supervisor of the minister school; 5 – the supervisor of the ministry service; 6 – the person who is in charge of the literature department. All these together represent the number 666.
Under the guidance of the Holy Spirit of Jehovah there will be more debates in the future concerning the beast or as the prophet Daniel says “the wild animal”. And all these happen because we approach very rapidly to the moment of the liberation of Jehovah's saints whom the beast defeated. With the true judgment that follows this beast will be “taken the domination and completely destroyed forever”.
“But the court will sit and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom and all rulers will worship and obey him.” (Daniel 7: 26b, 27)
So now “a breath of life from God” will enter inside these saints.(Revelation 11: 11) Of course, this thing will bring along not only amazement (2 Thessalonians 1: 10) but also a severe earthquake (Revelation 11: 13)
Then the following events show the fact that “the kingdom of the world” will become “the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and He will reign for ever and ever” (Revelation 11: 15)
My beloved brothers, these wonderful things discovered in these times by Jehovah through his Holy Spirit are the quintessence of “the song of Moses, the servant of God and the songs of the Lamb” that “those had been victorious over the beast and his image and over the number of his name” (Revelation 15: 2, 3) "
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END quotation.
As apostle Paul said , " but let God be true, and every man false; according as it is written, So that thou shouldest be justified in thy words, and shouldest overcome when thou art in judgment. "
r.v.
So you think being a JW is having the mark?
If so, how are they drunk with the blood of the saints?
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: MARK OF THE BEAST
Only truth will free you wrote:
So you think being a JW is having the mark?
If so, how are they drunk with the blood of the saints?
Dear ,the apostol Paul said :
6. It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
7. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
Romans 9.
So, not all J.W. are worshippers of Jehovah , but a few ones.
the same , not all J.W. are worshippers of the Beast , but most of them.
Those J.W. that fear Jehovah with all their hearth, and do not worship the FDS and so called God's organisation , do not have the mark
As in old time the saints were killed by their own co-nationales/hebrews , the same happen in the "last days" : the saints (brothers of Christ ) were spiritually killed - and some of them just litterally- by their brothers , the EDOM/ESAU seed. And that took place inside God's people .
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