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 Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:09 am Post subject: peace! |
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peace be upon you all!
I'm submitter. You may call me sub 
I became religious about three years ago, and started to investigate if God truly existed. I did this purely with the internet. I convinced myself that God existed. Then i deceided to investigate religions. After much hard work and hard debating, i finally found the Truth:
-Christianity had been corrupted by an object known as the trinity. This self-contradicting dogma had been created at the Council of Nicea in the 4th century.
-Islam came from a true prophet and was from God
I had been debating with carm.org's trinitarians about christianity and islam for quite a while, but they are quite rude and refuse to learn. Finally after being told by a mod on the chatroom that "this is a christian place, so they can insult islam if they want", i left. No-one should insult another's religion, since people are sensitive about such serious matters. Respect is one of the keys to peace.
What i really think people should do is open their eyes. Stop being blind. They should truly consider everything around.
may God bless you all. |
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joyful
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Sub,
You know very well that trinity is man-made thology and you should learn Christinity by reading the Bible. We already discussed very important teaching of Jesus.
Jesus is the only one to "Love our enemy". You Muslims and Trinitarians are killing each other because you guys hate your enemy instead of loving your enemy.
You should not criticize Christianity by how trinitatians practice their faith. They are not following Jesus. Christians are followers of Jesus.
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Matthew 7:21-27 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%207:21-27&version=31
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
The Wise and Foolish Builders
24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
End quote
yes sub, most churchgoers are not really following Jesus Christ (Christians are supposed to follow Christ, 1 John 2:6 "whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did." also see above verses).
I recommend like joyful not to judge christianity based on the blind ones who think they are christian because they go to church and the pastor tells them what they want to hear. Find out Christianity by researching Christ and His teachings. He warns many times against church leaders, remember His church leaders led Him to be crucified, but that was God's plan prophet Isaiah and King David told us in OT prophesy. Jesus became the sacrificial lamb of God, but proved death is not the end, He rises from the dead and gives us the Holy Spirit to help us live and know His ways more if we ask Him.
Have you read Jesus' teachings?
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| Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: peace! |
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peace be upon you all!
I'm submitter. You may call me sub
I became religious about three years ago, and started to investigate if God truly existed. I did this purely with the internet. I convinced myself that God existed. Then i deceided to investigate religions. After much hard work and hard debating, i finally found the Truth:
-Christianity had been corrupted by an object known as the trinity. This self-contradicting dogma had been created at the Council of Nicea in the 4th century.
-Islam came from a true prophet and was from God
I had been debating with carm.org's trinitarians about christianity and islam for quite a while, but they are quite rude and refuse to learn. Finally after being told by a mod on the chatroom that "this is a christian place, so they can insult islam if they want", i left. No-one should insult another's religion, since people are sensitive about such serious matters. Respect is one of the keys to peace.
What i really think people should do is open their eyes. Stop being blind. They should truly consider everything around.
may God bless you all. |
What proof did you come across that has convinced you that Mohamed was a true prophet from God?
Also what did you believe three years ago before you found God? |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Sub,
You know very well that trinity is man-made thology and you should learn Christinity by reading the Bible. We already discussed very important teaching of Jesus.
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I have read quite a lot of the Bible. 
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Jesus is the only one to "Love our enemy". You Muslims and Trinitarians are killing each other because you guys hate your enemy instead of loving your enemy.
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I hate only my true enemy, who is satan. I will never love him.
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You should not criticize Christianity by how trinitatians practice their faith. They are not following Jesus. Christians are followers of Jesus.
love, hitomi |
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may God bless you.
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What proof did you come across that has convinced you that Mohamed was a true prophet from God?
Also what did you believe three years ago before you found God?
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Three years ago, i was young, and half knew in my soul God existed.
The Qur'an is the keystone of Islam. It convinces me that Islam is true. It is perfect and holds no mistakes. The Qur'an itself is probably the only Holy Book that challenges people to try and find mistakes with it, because as the Qur'an says, "If this were not from God, surely much error would have been found within it".
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joyful
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| I hate only my true enemy, who is satan. I will never love him. |
Then why so many muslims persecute christians in Islum countries?
Don't you have military in muslim countries too? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate only my true enemy, who is satan. I will never love him. |
Then why so many muslims persecute christians in Islum countries?
Don't you have military in muslim countries too? |
I think it's true to say that all countries that can afford militaries, have militaries, because of SELF-DEFENCE.
Besides, Christians aren't persecuted in Muslim countries, only in the extremist places like saudi arabia. I found a thriving healthy christian community in Jordan.
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| I think it's true to say that all countries that can afford militaries, have militaries, because of SELF-DEFENCE. |
That's why there sre so many wars every where. Everyone believe they are the saints and everyone else who are against them are evil ones. How sad. that's why Jesus' teaching of "love your enemy" is so noble. You have to have enormous faith for God to follow this teaching.
love, hitomi |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's true to say that all countries that can afford militaries, have militaries, because of SELF-DEFENCE. |
That's why there sre so many wars every where. Everyone believe they are the saints and everyone else who are against them are evil ones. How sad. that's why Jesus' teaching of "love your enemy" is so noble. You have to have enormous faith for God to follow this teaching.
love, hitomi |
joyful, armies for self-defence don't cause wars. Wars are caused by people starting the fights. |
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joyful
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| I think it's true to say that all countries that can afford militaries, have militaries, because of SELF-DEFENCE. |
That's why there sre so many wars every where. Everyone believe they are the saints and everyone else who are against them are evil ones. How sad. that's why Jesus' teaching of "love your enemy" is so noble. You have to have enormous faith for God to follow this teaching.
love, hitomi |
joyful, armies for self-defence don't cause wars. Wars are caused by people starting the fights. |
Yes, and people in the army are preparing to kill their enemy anytime.  |
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people in the army are preparing to kill their enemy anytime.
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A self-defence army does not cause fights. It only protects the country. It is good. |
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people in the army are preparing to kill their enemy anytime.
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A self-defence army does not cause fights. It only protects the country. It is good. |
Americans have been killling many by saying it is self defense. Isn't that what your country doing too? |
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the Mad JW
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Islam contradicts what Christ taught: examples- immortal soul, and 'hellfire'. Mohammed didn't KNOW that these weren't in the scriptures!
Islam claims Mohammed split the moon in half- and put it back together- and NONE of the endless star-gazers thruout the world ever SAW such a riduculous feat!
Agape!
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| the Mad JW wrote: |
Islam contradicts what Christ taught: examples- immortal soul, and 'hellfire'. Mohammed didn't KNOW that these weren't in the scriptures!
Islam claims Mohammed split the moon in half- and put it back together- and NONE of the endless star-gazers thruout the world ever SAW such a riduculous feat!
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Islam says we do have souls that don't die, and there is a hell. How is that contradictory to what christianity says?
As for the second part of your post, some Muslims claim that the prophet split the moon. Actually what he did was use it as cosmological evidence for God.
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the Mad JW
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Islam contradicts what Christ taught: examples- immortal soul, and 'hellfire'. Mohammed didn't KNOW that these weren't in the scriptures!
Islam claims Mohammed split the moon in half- and put it back together- and NONE of the endless star-gazers thruout the world ever SAW such a riduculous feat!
Agape! |
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Islam says we do have souls that don't die, and there is a hell. How is that contradictory to what christianity says?
Hello again, Submitter!
You need to understand that "Christianity" - TRUE christianity- is NOT the Churches of Christendom. Being a Muslim, you well KNOW the hypocrasy of the Catholic Church and her spawns!
Many that have conjured up their OWN followers (like Joseph Smith- Mormons) did so, using the false teachingsd from those churches to APPEAR to be from God.
You must go to the beginning to understand any mystery! Do Muslims accept the Genesis account?
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