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joyful
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 Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Jon |
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Hi Jon, 
Welcome,
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jon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: hi |
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| Hello, is this a Bible studen site> |
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joyful
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jon
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| I would just as soon stay here, if thats ok. I like the Jesus theme. Im just somewhat familar with the BS, dont go along with the timing and the Pryamid stuff. I believe what Jesus says, thats all we all need. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: |
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Jon,
But why did you ask if this is Bible Students forum? I hope you don't mind me asking. I am lerning to be Bible Student myself and all my information will be coming from what I learn from them.
God is giving everyone gift of servanthood, and I trust russell is God's sent messenger. Do you know anyone whom you can trust to be a prophet?
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jon
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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I asked because I see you have recently been putting up alot BS stuff.
Jesus is whom I put my faith , love and trust in , no one else, especially mere men or a pryamid.
what has gone wrong, Jesus used to be the way for you? |
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joyful
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jon wrote: |
I asked because I see you have recently been putting up alot BS stuff.
Jesus is whom I put my faith , love and trust in , no one else, especially mere men or a pryamid.
what has gone wrong, Jesus used to be the way for you? |
I see that you are not happy with Russell.
Well then I don't think you will be happy in this forum becaseu I trust him as God's messenger. I use his interpretation to understand the prophesy.
God uses many kinds of servants. Russell is God's sent messenger. I am humble enough to admit and learn from God's servant to understand Jesus' prophesy.
good day. |
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jon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| boy they got you hook, line, and sinker in a very short period of time. Many Jehovah and Jesus take pity and forgive you for your unfaithfulness. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| boy they got you hook, line, and sinker in a very short period of time. Many Jehovah and Jesus take pity and forgive you for your unfaithfulness. |
Unfaithfulness for using His prophet to learn His prophesy? Give me a break. 
I have been waiting for someone to help me understand His prophesy and God gave it to me. This is answering to my prayer. No one tried to help me out. I needed help and God gave it to me.
Thank you Jesus for your servant Br russell's faithfulness.
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Viperlord
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| joyful wrote: |
| jon wrote: |
| boy they got you hook, line, and sinker in a very short period of time. Many Jehovah and Jesus take pity and forgive you for your unfaithfulness. |
Unfaithfulness for using His prophet to learn His prophesy? Give me a break.
I have been witing for someone to help me understand His prophesy and God gavie it to me. This is answering to my prayer. No one tried to help me out. I needed help and God gave it to me.
Thank you Jesus for your servant Br russell's faithfulness. |
Take warning: there are many false prophets, and sometimes the answer to a prayer is not what you first see. I have made the same mistake in looking for a wife. You might be right, but... it just sets off alarm bells in my head.
I'll go check that site out myself...
Based on a preliminary investigation, it's a JW offshoot. Is your son investigating Russel? If Peter is inspecting what you learn, I think I can rest easy. If not...
biblestudents.net floats too near to Mormonism for comfort. Since I grew up in a Mormon community, most of my dad's Bible lessons focused on how we believed differently from Mormons. I can set aside a few things such as the Trinity, but there's no way I'm jumping to the other end of the divide - and I don't want to see you do it either.
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jon
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Just ask the BS who the Two Witnesses are in the time of the end. To ridiculous to even laugh about. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| jon wrote: |
| Just ask the BS who the Two Witnesses are in the time of the end. To ridiculous to even laugh about. |
I already know. They are Old Testament and New Testament, perfect witnesses. |
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butxifxnot
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Hello, Jon.
Welcome to the forum!
I have to ask:
What is so ridiculous about the Two Witnesses being the testimony before and after Christ? BS aren't the only ones with that interpretation, and it's more plausible than the two being actual men (when is a prophesy literal?).
-Peter
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Viperlord:
I am flattered that you feel you can "rest easy" if I am checking on Joyful to make sure she isn't doing anything crazy. However, I think you're looking at it the wrong way: it is not your responsibility to make sure she is "right", so no matter what she happens to believe, you can rest easy. I'm sure you recognize from this forum that she doesn't put up with foolishness from people teaching her Bible information.
To answer your question, though, I am not currently investigating Russel. I'm not investigating anyone: if what someone says is true, it is true. If it is unproveable conjecture, it is conjecture. If it is wrong, then it is wrong. I've heard some good stuff and some conjecture from Russel. That's how we approach any teacher. If Joyful (or I or anyone serious about the Bible) hears something from anyone that doesn't wash with the Scriptures, then it must be examined.
So far, Joyful apparently hasn't seen any red flags from Russel's teachings. I'm currently focusing on what exactly it is the BS believe and their Bible backings for their central beliefs.
Secondly, if I may share some observations with you about Bible Students:
BS is not a Jehovah's Witness offshoot. JW is a Bible Student offshoot. They took some of the basic information of the BS (like the 1914 date) and then created their own organization, the Watchtower.
Thirdly:
BS is nothing like Mormonism...? How is it that you say it is like Mormonism? That Jesus isn't part of a Trinity? There's way more to the theory of divinity in Mormonism than the lack of a Trinity.
:wave:
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jon
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You two travel from board to board causing trouble and hard feelings. Or I say you try to. Its already started on the BS forum with your mummy
Theres load of info on russel , and how immoral he was, an a con artist. and you compare him to Jesus?
Your two witness theory is to silly to even discuss with you. get real. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| jon wrote: |
You two travel from board to board causing trouble and hard feelings. Or I say you try to. Its already started on the BS forum with your mummy
Theres load of info on russel , and how immoral he was, an a con artist. and you compare him to Jesus?
Your two witness theory is to silly to even discuss with you. get real. |
You seem to showing strong hatred towards B.S. and Russell. I don't even know you and you just come here and start making accustion about Russell. You seem to know me from other forum. I don't even recognize your name. Which forum were you with me? |
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| butxifxnot wrote: |
Hello, Jon.
Welcome to the forum!
A couple of comments:
first of all, I am flattered that you feel you can "rest easy" if I am checking on Joyful to make sure she isn't doing anything crazy. However, I think you're looking at it the wrong way: it is not your responsibility to make sure she is "right", so no matter what she happens to believe, you can rest easy. I'm sure you recognize from this forum that she doesn't put up with foolishness from people teaching her Bible information.
To answer your question, though, I am not currently investigating Russel. I'm not investigating anyone: if what someone says is true, it is true. If it is unproveable conjecture, it is conjecture. If it is wrong, then it is wrong. I've heard some good stuff and some conjecture from Russel. That's how we approach any teacher. If Joyful (or I or anyone serious about the Bible) hears something from anyone that doesn't wash with the Scriptures, then it must be examined.
So far, Joyful apparently hasn't seen any red flags from Russel's teachings. I'm currently focusing on what exactly it is the BS believe and their Bible backings for their central beliefs.
Secondly, if I may share some observations with you about Bible Students:
BS is not a Jehovah's Witness offshoot. JW is a Bible Student offshoot. They took some of the basic information of the BS (like the 1914 date) and then created their own organization, the Watchtower.
Thirdly:
BS is nothing like Mormonism...? How is it that you say it is like Mormonism? That Jesus isn't part of a Trinity? There's way more to the theory of divinity in Mormonism than the lack of a Trinity.
:wave:
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What is so ridiculous about the Two Witnesses being the testimony before and after Christ? BS aren't the only ones with that interpretation, and it's more plausible than the two being actual men (when is a prophesy literal?). |
Peter, did you notice that Viperlord is the one that said rest easy? It looks like you are getting him and jon confused. |
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joyful
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You two travel from board to board causing trouble and hard feelings. Or I say you try to. Its already started on the BS forum with your mummy
Theres load of info on russel , and how immoral he was, an a con artist. and you compare him to Jesus?
Your two witness theory is to silly to even discuss with you. get real. |
Jon,
I just skimmed through and this is really vicious comment. Why are you so viciouse about us just because I tryed to get to know Russell's teachings? |
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jon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Its alll in how you look at it, I was NOT being vicious. You do not needto bother with Russels teachings. It is Jesus and Jehovah you need to look too. Russel was proved wrong on many issues . Jesus is neverwrong. |
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joyful
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:45 am Post subject: |
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Of course Jesus is never wrong, who is arguing that?
God is giving all His followers gift of servanthood. There is nothing wrong using people who have the gift of knowledge. If you cannot discern who has gift you have spiritual problem. I don't trust Bible Students organization but I don't know if Russell is phony servant. I don't slander anyone whom I don't have any evidence of being phony. I will be in deep trouble if I speak against faithful servant of Jesus.
You seem to have deep hatred against Russell. You should get rid of your hatred. Are you one of the mainstream? I know you say you are not but I cannot trust your word the way you are talking so viciously against Russell. |
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jon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| You have got to be joking! I am vicious cause I dont believe or follow Russel? I follow no one but Jesus. Plain and simple. He belived in the Pryramid, which is demonic. what about the 2 times he took his followers to the hills because the end was here, and here we still are. Not to agree is not vengeful, its smart. Do we have a language barrier? |
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